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The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Artillery with spotters accomplished the same task.

Except you can't survey an area with a an artillery warhead. Sure, you can use your spotters to scout ahead, but why put them in danger of an ambush and have them get killed by a sniper or hidden machinegun, when you can survey that area from a safe distance, and take out the sniper/machine gun if you see one? This is not meant to replace artillery battalions and scouts, but to complement them.

Cheaper to use a drone for spotting instead of a FIST unit. That's what's working for the UA.

Kamikaze drones have a role for the smaller units, but at the battalion level, it's better to use a surveillance drone to coordinate fires from mortars, MLRS and artillery. The rounds fired from these systems typically have longer range than a drone, a higher rate of fire, and larger warheads.

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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> Several news sources have reported that a single TB2 drone can be purchased for a million dollars, but Bayraktar, while not giving a precise figure, told me that it costs more. In any event, single-unit figures are misleading; TB2s are sold as a “platform,” along with portable command stations and communications equipment. In 2019, Ukraine bought a fleet of at least six TB2s for a reported sixty-nine million dollar…

The ukrainians are repurposing small civil drones and old soviet shells to attack russian targets on and behind the lines.

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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I’m a little surprised that drones in Ukraine haven’t been discussed widely on HN. Ukraine doesn’t have the air force, pilots are expensive and take a lot of time of to train Here are a few interesting stories that I saw over the past couple of months https://www.reuters.com/world/us-rapidly-developed-ghost-dro... https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-technology-bu... https://www.popsci.com/aviation/black-ha…

> Ukraine doesn’t have the air force

Strange that their nonexistent air force has been getting transfers of spare parts so they can fly more of their nonexistent fighters.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/20/politics/ukraine-aircraft-spa...

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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I’m a little surprised that drones in Ukraine haven’t been discussed widely on HN. Ukraine doesn’t have the air force, pilots are expensive and take a lot of time of to train Here are a few interesting stories that I saw over the past couple of months https://www.reuters.com/world/us-rapidly-developed-ghost-dro... https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-technology-bu... https://www.popsci.com/aviation/black-ha…

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Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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That's true. Everyone in Ukraine now know the name "Bayraktar" and videos from the drone's camera showing destroying russian vehicles in action has been a huge morale boost for people. I think decent-quality video recording is one of the most underapreciated features of TB2. Here is a strike on the invaders' helicopter just yesterday recorded with IR camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juxv8L3gkKo

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

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Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Why are these things as effective as they are in the ukrain-russian war? Don't these things show up on radar and therefor vulnerable to conventional anti air defence. Before the start of the war experts where warning that russia could lock down the air space of the whole of europe. These single propeller planes can not be as fast as jet engines and need to be almost on top of their target to drop bombs on them? What is preventing Russia from building these things in the thousands and I don't know patrol the skies of eastern ukrain with it?

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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This drones are almost useless against modern army with good anti air defense. Here is Indian article with some technical details. https://www.defenceview.in/why-did-the-turkish-tb2-uav-sudde...

The article describes how they’ve fared far better than expected against good air defense. For example flying an unmanned crop duster in, drawing missile fire, taking out missile battery.

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

The government definitely thinks of SpaceX as a defense company. They have to comply with ITAR because if you have the technology to get to space you basically have the technology for an ICBM.

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people not consider SpaceX a defense company? At the very least I thought people always considered it dual-use

You can't work there (except possibly in some minor roles) if you're not a US Person as defined by ITAR for a reason.

ITAR applies because rockets are indistinguishable from ICBMs
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