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Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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post #117

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Seems in a lot of cases the limit is $2500! Even a very modest emergency fund is probably going to be double that...

The idea of food stamps is to give you food when you literally can't buy it yourself, not when you have a couple grand in your bank account.

Yeah it's a dumb idea. Making people spend down their savings when they have no income to pay for food.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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Making the benefits universal would increase everyone's personal budgets to compensate.

The government's money was formerly your money. I would prefer to keep my money and help in my local community than pay more taxes to distribute wealth.

Well your previous logic is refuted and now you're just moving on to some other shit like you never said it. Not a good look.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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post #91

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If you own a couple of grand in assets you no longer qualify for SNAP. Which is crazy given that 15 million people rely on SNAP.

Seems in a lot of cases the limit is $2500! Even a very modest emergency fund is probably going to be double that...

In practice you can just keep your savings in cash and not disclose it.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of food stamps is to give you food when you literally can't buy it yourself, not when you have a couple grand in your bank account.

Yeah it's a dumb idea. Making people spend down their savings when they have no income to pay for food.

What else are savings for then?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's a dumb idea. Making people spend down their savings when they have no income to pay for food.

What else are savings for then?

Well if you only have $2.5k and no income it's probably going to housing costs.

(Am I here to answer stupid questions...)

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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post #74

I think if you succeeded in making a game that successfully simulated the experience of poverty, it would be extremely unfun to play. There is a popular misconception that poverty amounts to having your bank balance reset to zero. “Damn, guess I’ll have to earn it all back”. But what you can’t reset or simulate is the human capital embodied within you that got you to this point. Your lifetime of education, your exper…

The interesting part of simulation genres is finding out what you need to change to make it fun. What makes a simulation game fun varies per game. Stardew Valley could be described as a boring loop. EVE Online just yesterday made fans happy by getting official Microsoft Excel support. The key seems to be to have a particular hook and perspective. So, for a poverty simulator, you could embrace hustle culture and have…

I definitely agree with you about Papers, Please. It's literally about doing paperwork and it's one of the best games I've played.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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I once wrote a game-like sim about "how to get rich" (which I named American Barons.) Java, desktop game, just to scratch an itch. and yes the player/PC does start out dirt poor.

closest thing I've seen to what you're asking about. I never released it to the public but I might have its code sitting on some backup disk somewhere.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's a dumb idea. Making people spend down their savings when they have no income to pay for food.

What else are savings for then?

The idea of an emergency fund is for unexpected expenses like car repairs or a medical bill. The primary use of SNAP is to supplement an employed person’s income so they are able to afford food.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any good poverty simulator games?

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post #74

I think if you succeeded in making a game that successfully simulated the experience of poverty, it would be extremely unfun to play. There is a popular misconception that poverty amounts to having your bank balance reset to zero. “Damn, guess I’ll have to earn it all back”. But what you can’t reset or simulate is the human capital embodied within you that got you to this point. Your lifetime of education, your exper…

The interesting part of simulation genres is finding out what you need to change to make it fun. What makes a simulation game fun varies per game. Stardew Valley could be described as a boring loop. EVE Online just yesterday made fans happy by getting official Microsoft Excel support. The key seems to be to have a particular hook and perspective. So, for a poverty simulator, you could embrace hustle culture and have…

It also doesn't necessarily have to be "fun". I would argue that playing poverty simulator definitely should not ever be "fun". It might have plenty of educational or artistic value, though, which might be a good enough reason for some people to play it.
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