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Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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What do you mean?

foone doesn't like hackernews so I guess OP meant to show "respect" to foone and not link their stuff here.

foone gets harassed when their tweets get linked here.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

#63
While I get the motivation, I'd rather have my Apple devices which have some economic value to be findable using Find My, which can't function with a physical "hard" off switch.

I'd rather have Bluetooth use infinitesimal amount of my iPhone/Macbook battery than them being lost/stolen which could be potentially tracked when off with "soft off".

But besides some use cases like this, I agree with the post.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

#64

ahahahah how ridiculous is this idea. Just want to see author having off buttons on all their remotes: TV, AC, ect. Enjoy manually turning them off and having redundant button=)

Many "classic" remotes are actually designed with the keypad itself being the power switch, they don't consume any power while not being used.

"Smart" remotes are a different picture. audibly sighs and walks off the stage

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

#65
Super bright LEDs is one of my biggest pet peeves on electronics. And 99% of them seem to be blue. This one is red, but pulsing - oh god.

For SMD leds it's pretty easy to destroy them directly by using a hot enough iron - they're heat sensitive and die easily. Just touch it with your iron and boom, annoying light gone.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

#67
Related to the topic, besides the energy argument and the ability to cycle system state, I'd argue the huge importance of being able to power things off for personal freedom, especially for things with connectivity. We still have the power to shut off devices and largely the ability to block their connectivity (e.g. routing TV ads through a network filter).

With 5G and future connectivity, it feels as there will be push towards not being able to block the network access of individual devices, such that a TV or fridge will just speak to its server directly via some XG/IoT network which the user does control, without any user ability to block this communication.

After losing control over connectivity, it seems as power switches will be the next thing we'll start to lose control over, for engineering and ergonomic reasons, but also for control reasons. Such a shift may be further pushed by more ubiquitous and long-range wireless charging, if it gets to the point where devices such as our phones can be sufficiently charged simply by being inside buildings.

Just thought I'd throw in my $0.02 vote for the ability to power off things.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

#68

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Between clicking on/off at least once a day, and changing batteries once a year, I'm picking changing the batteries. I'd also guess most people would just leave it on. They may have already tried that.

I wish the Dymo label printer (for those labels printed on tape) had an off switch. Every time I want to use it, the 6 batteries are flat.

Just remove one battery and it's off?

To be honest, I also have a Dymo label printer (very old model), and it does have a physical on/off switch, but even with the switch off it still consumes batteries like in 6 months.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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I think this is special pleading. At the volume we're discussing a surface mount flow solder on off device is not going to kill the BoM, and could be designed not to be ugly. It's no different to any other bad design. It could be better. All phones and computers can be completely powered down. They're hardly ugly switches.

Ermm, most phones and computers cannot be completely powered down. Either by nit-picking (CMOS clocks) or soft-switches (ACPI, soft button power-on), there's always some voltage in the system unless your PSU comes with an actual hard power switch (and even then, again, CMOS). They consume a lot less power, but leave an 'off' phone in a drawer for a month starting at 100%, it will not be 100% when you 'turn it on'.

I understand and agree, but the use-case is a bit skewed since that's not even true for a bare "naked" battery or cell.

They all self-discharge [1], some chemistries more than others of course but phone batteries certainly do.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-discharge

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