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Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by herodoturtle »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #65
AnthonBerg wrote: post #42

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Sunlight’s effects on body chemistry also have a damping effect on inflammation. It’s a funny thing. Sunlight has an impact on many chemical processes in and on the body. One example: Our skin is coated with a bunch of chemicals. There’s a number of different acidic chemicals. These are known as the “acid mantle”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_mantle One of these substances is urocanic acid . The body manufactur…

And yet lots of dermatologists will tell you to avoid sunlight. The medical community is full of contradictions.

Everything in moderation.

EDIT: Except lava.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by chasebank »

jghefner wrote: post #55
jamal-kumar wrote: post #44

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This is what I'm talking about. The idea that "going for a walk and getting sunlight is good for depression" is so universally unchallengable that I must live somewhere terrible if it doesn't work for me.

Book a two week long float down the middle fork of the Salmon river and let me know how you feel after.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by stjohnswarts »

LinuxBender wrote: post #62
tomatowurst wrote: post #8

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5000 IU is really too much. At best 2000, 2500 IU is good.

I use 60,000 to 90,000 IU's per day and have been doing so for years. The most I have taken in a 24 hour period is 140,000 IU's. There is no way I could have started off at those levels however. It would have induced major hypercalcemia had I done that prior to mobilizing all the stored/misplaced calcium in my gut and vasculature. I am not suggesting anyone else do this. One must have a specific need when doing this.…

That's a crazy amount. I had a very low blood test started supplementing with k2/5000 vitamin d several years ago and my blood levels have been fine ever since.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by geoduck14 »

juve1996 wrote: post #16
lordentropy wrote: post #12

Daily morning and afternoon exposure to bright light might actually be more important to reducing depression than direct vitamin D supplementation. Low vitamin D might just be an indicator that you are not getting enough sunlight. Sunlight also affects melatonin and serotonin levels, and synchronizes your Circadian rhythm. Not sure why that article doesn't talk about Seasonal affective disorder (SAD), and how bright…

Anecdotally agree with this. I have vitamin D deficiency, was given 50,000 IU a week vitamin D to get it up. Never worked. Went to the beach one week and got blood tested again and my vitamin D levels climbed significantly. Now I make it a point to get outside and sunlight

>Went to the beach one week and got blood tested again and my vitamin D levels climbed significantly.

Well, I think I just justified my beach vacation. Thanks!

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by stjohnswarts »

alleskleber wrote: post #38
ralusek wrote: post #21

Sunlight and gardening have had such a dramatic impact on the way that I feel, it's unbelievable.

For me sunlight and some light exercise everyday were a game changer. I had tried Vitamin D supplements (1000 IU daily) before but there was barely any noticable effect.

1000 is actually way below what you need probably, my doc put me on 2500 a day and it wasn't enough, I've moved to 5000 and been "normal" level ever since for several years for my annual checkout/blood/urine tests. If you have brown/black skin it can be even more, but better to start low and figure out what is enough under observation of a doctor.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by hammock »

juve1996 wrote: post #16
lordentropy wrote: post #12

Daily morning and afternoon exposure to bright light might actually be more important to reducing depression than direct vitamin D supplementation. Low vitamin D might just be an indicator that you are not getting enough sunlight. Sunlight also affects melatonin and serotonin levels, and synchronizes your Circadian rhythm. Not sure why that article doesn't talk about Seasonal affective disorder (SAD), and how bright…

Anecdotally agree with this. I have vitamin D deficiency, was given 50,000 IU a week vitamin D to get it up. Never worked. Went to the beach one week and got blood tested again and my vitamin D levels climbed significantly. Now I make it a point to get outside and sunlight

The point was that sunlight does more than raise vitamin D, not that it's better than supplementation at raising vitamin D.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by mikenew »

TameAntelope wrote: post #68
carabiner wrote: post #3

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I live in Seattle and have been depressed for a while. I had my Vitamin D3 levels checked via blood test, and they were really low. Started taking 5,000 IU per day, and I feel exactly the same as before.

5k IUs is well beyond anything your body has a use for, and in fact is above what your body can tolerate! [0] > RDA: The Recommended Dietary Allowance for adults 19 years and older is 600 IU daily for men and women, and for adults >70 years it is 800 IU daily. > UL: The Tolerable Upper Intake Level is the maximum daily intake unlikely to cause harmful effects on health. The UL for vitamin D for adults and children ag…

Those numbers are wrong by an order of magnitude, because the original estimation was based on faulty math. The actual dose needed to bring serum levels up for most people would be far higher.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

herodoturtle wrote: post #71
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #65

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And yet lots of dermatologists will tell you to avoid sunlight. The medical community is full of contradictions.

Everything in moderation. EDIT: Except lava.

At first I read "except Java"

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by interactivecode »

treeman79 wrote: post #30
juve1996 wrote: post #16

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Anecdotally agree with this. I have vitamin D deficiency, was given 50,000 IU a week vitamin D to get it up. Never worked. Went to the beach one week and got blood tested again and my vitamin D levels climbed significantly. Now I make it a point to get outside and sunlight

Had super low Vit D. Was stuck in bed for a year. A few months of Vit D and a few other diet and supplements changes and I was out kayaking every weekend. My experience anyway

What dose and diet changes did you do?

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Post by LinuxBender »

TameAntelope wrote: post #69
LinuxBender wrote: post #62

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I use 60,000 to 90,000 IU's per day and have been doing so for years. The most I have taken in a 24 hour period is 140,000 IU's. There is no way I could have started off at those levels however. It would have induced major hypercalcemia had I done that prior to mobilizing all the stored/misplaced calcium in my gut and vasculature. I am not suggesting anyone else do this. One must have a specific need when doing this.…

> Taking 60,000 international units (IU) a day of vitamin D for several months has been shown to cause toxicity. This level is many times higher than the U.S. Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for most adults of 600 IU of vitamin D a day. [0] I think you may be poisoning yourself. [0] https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...

That would certainly be true had I done that from day one as I had mentioned. Their documentation as with most medical documentation is based on the lowest common denominators. They will not risk explaining why one might do what I am doing.
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