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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by Chilko »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #201
ericlewis wrote: post #144

I’ll read the article but I’ll admit that my first reaction to this was… do they know how folks use their phone? My phone is my entire wallet now, in every way. Wether flying the country (boarding passes, I have clear), or purchasing something (I nearly exclusively use Apple Pay) I’ve long left behind needing to carry a proper wallet. I do make sure to carry a couple of $20s just in case there is some oddball reason…

What country does not require you to carry an id at all times where outside your house? Most countries do and most don't even accept alternate id's like driver's license.

New Zealand for one. You don't need to carry an ID at all times, only if you're driving do you need your driver's license. However, if you're detained by the police you are required to identify yourself, but this does not need involve your physical ID.

Is it really common in other countries that you legally need your ID on you at all times?

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by lolinder »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #201
ericlewis wrote: post #144

I’ll read the article but I’ll admit that my first reaction to this was… do they know how folks use their phone? My phone is my entire wallet now, in every way. Wether flying the country (boarding passes, I have clear), or purchasing something (I nearly exclusively use Apple Pay) I’ve long left behind needing to carry a proper wallet. I do make sure to carry a couple of $20s just in case there is some oddball reason…

What country does not require you to carry an id at all times where outside your house? Most countries do and most don't even accept alternate id's like driver's license.

In the US there is no such requirement. An ID is only needed to buy restricted products/substances (alcohol, certain medications, guns), to drive, to vote, or similar: cases where you either need to prove who you are or prove how old you are.

The Wikipedia article on the subject[0] is incomplete, but the only countries whose laws it specifically describes (Germany & Sweden) do not require carrying the ID with you. Rather than it being the norm to require ID, I'm having a very hard time finding out any countries that do require it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obligation_of_identification

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by [deleted] »

Chilko wrote: post #241
AdrianB1 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country does not require you to carry an id at all times where outside your house? Most countries do and most don't even accept alternate id's like driver's license.

New Zealand for one. You don't need to carry an ID at all times, only if you're driving do you need your driver's license. However, if you're detained by the police you are required to identify yourself, but this does not need involve your physical ID. Is it really common in other countries that you legally need your ID on you at all times?

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by feanaro »

kennywinker wrote: post #161
ashirviskas wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik unhealthy diet increases gluten sensitivity. I have it and it sucks having your knees and elbows hurt for a week after eating a gluten rich pizza.

> Afaik unhealthy diet increases gluten sensitivity I don't want to argue with your overall point at all, because I assume that whatever this sentence specifically means to you is true for you - but given that there is no actually objective definition of what a healthy diet is - it's hard to agree with the statement in general. I would feel like I was eating unhealthily if I had a can of coke every day, but that does…

> You would almost definitely feel unhealthy if you were eating bread every day, but as long as it was whole-wheat and had some good sandwich fixins in it, I'd feel pretty good about that.

Eating bread every day is actually pretty common in some cultures and people don't even stop to think it's unhealthy because it's so commonplace, so even that varies.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by daniel-cussen »

cercatrova wrote: post #153
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except no because the whole hands full and bottles thing. Did you even bother reading the comment?

Yes but I disagree that they'd have broken the bottles had they put down a bag. I've had bottles in bags and not once did I break them by setting them down. They could've easily put the bottles down and called the police on their phone, if they brought it with them.

Great to see you again, cercatrova![1]

I didn't have a bag, that's what started it all. You don't get bags anymore in Chile[2]. The cashier, CE. NEWEN according to the receipt, accused me of not paying apparently in retaliation for my saying the plastic bag she offered was not worth the 57 cents the Walmart subsidiary charged for it (490 Chilean pesos)[1]. I decided to go without. Until her accusation that I didn't pay, I was carrying everything carefully in my arms.

So I was carrying two pint-sized cans of beer, a glass jar of olives, and a glass jar of anchovies all in my arms. Needed a surface if I was to set them down, in fact after being shepherded I set them down in an empty shopping cart before I could take out the receipt in my pocket, so my turn to make demands began.

[1] So this was the event that changed my attitude and just divulge on Hacker News.

[2] It's always minimal shit, one time it was over 1 cent in electricity, for which I offered to pay a dollar on the spot. Always minimal shit. Those plastic bags cost like 1.3 cents apiece, to make. Pure profit.

[3] And since this, I bring my own, which was the government's idea in not supplying bags any longer.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by ipaddr »

In this day and age of openly tracking everyone's movement by government departments I'm surprised anyone brings there cellphone with them when they travel.

Unless you accept creating a forever digital footprint of everyplace you go leave your cellphone at home. We know better but we pretend it doesn't matter because it's easier.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by Baeocystin »

dale_glass wrote: post #155

Personally I find modern technology to be very liberating. When I was a child, even going around my own city was a stressful thing. What if I get lost? What if I run out of money for the train? How do I know I got the bus in the right direction? (the darn things didn't announce stops at all). The first times I traveled involved printing a stack of papers including names, addresses, and maps. Getting to a hotel in a c…

Well said. It is disappointing to see such black and white thinking in discussion of the role of technology in daily life.

Do I think there is a real problem with how social media brings out the worst in society? Very much so. But that is almost entirely orthogonal to how I use the (frankly amazing) pocket supercomputer I now carry with me every day.

When I was a kid, mail back home when we lived overseas was a three-month round trip. A 15-minute phone call on Christmas was only possible by pulling a lot of strings. Nowadays? I can pull up a half-dozen webcams in the same neighborhood from literally across the globe.

We may be coming to grips as a world in how to talk to each other effectively, but I don't miss being cut off. Communication matters.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by fao_ »

b112 wrote: post #31
sysadm1n wrote: post #11

Well not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything like that, but you really don't know what could happen at any given moment, and need to phone emergency services. This is not paranoia (well maybe it is), but paranoia doesn't work retroactively, you have to be proactively paranoid. If you're concerned about privacy buy one of those cheap Nokia dumbphones that old people use. Keep your smartphone at home, and swa…

I'm not really blaming you here, this attidue is very normal these days, but a mere 25 years ago, most people had no cell phone, no mobile phone, and never, ever suffered mishap as a result. (Inconvenience is not what I call a mishap) I grew up in the country, and a few times had to walk 20 miles home, due to a dead car. Being a rural area, after 10pm, I might see 1 or 2 cars the entire walk home (4 hours and a bit).…

> most people had no cell phone, no mobile phone, and never, ever suffered mishap as a result.

never???

How do you possibly have enough information to know that?!

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Post by teawrecks »

bparsons wrote: post #174
dale_glass wrote: post #155

Personally I find modern technology to be very liberating. When I was a child, even going around my own city was a stressful thing. What if I get lost? What if I run out of money for the train? How do I know I got the bus in the right direction? (the darn things didn't announce stops at all). The first times I traveled involved printing a stack of papers including names, addresses, and maps. Getting to a hotel in a c…

That is because you were a child. Not because you didn't have a phone.

Never traveled to a country where you didn't speak the language, I'm guessing?

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by TacticalCoder »

> But as time passed, I realized how our phone has become a real integral part of our bodies. It was a strange feeling.

I'm hardly a luddite and yet I don't give a crap about my phone.

I hardly ever take my phone with me: no need. Yesterday I had to drive to some unknown (to me) place (rural area) for a birthday party: wrote the address down, looked what the place looked like on google maps, then left the home and input the address in my car's navi system.

My phone is so old I don't even know which model it is. I think it's a Samsung S7, not sure. Don't care.

I have like two apps on it: google authenticator and some "scan to pdf" thing (where I take a picture of documents and it makes a PDF out of it).

To me a phone is an inferior, mediocre, computing device. It's only a "computer" in that it's more powerful than, say, a SGI workstation from the late 90s (or whatever) but it's mostly a piece of crap made to consume content.

I'm always wondering this: how many chip engineers are actually designing chips from their smartphone? How many car designers are modelling cars and parts on their phone? How many sound engineers are, say, remastering some great song from their phone? How many people who worked on, say, "Fantastic Beasts" did model the 3D animals from their phone? It's not just the input that sucks, but the output too: tiny screen, shitty sound.

In addition to being complete turds, phones are little surveillance devices tracking your every moves. Just screw that.

Now, funnily enough, the only time I really need a phone the dumbphone, pre- Nokia Symbian and J2ME apps (these were still dumb but a bit less dumb), I had in the late nineties would do: actual phone calls and SMS. I hardly need anything more.

I don't respect my phone: I treat it for the utter piece of junk and crap it is.

I think it's a sane approach. YMMV.

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