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The End of Industrial Society

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transparency about who these people are ultimately improves accountability. Would you work for a faux "anarcho-tyrannyist" firm where you have no idea who the CEO is and who the managers are that can fire you or cut your salary?

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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post #12

Stream of consciousness with a way too big scope, gives in to the temptation to conclude that everything will just collapse and disappear to get out of trouble in the end.

Agreed. The author discounts a great deal of flexibility in the existing systems.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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You have to remember the basic idea behind a lot of these word salads is that "We need to return to kings and aristocracy" and that "Of course I am a high iq intellectual who will be the nobility and not a feudal worker, why is there any doubt?". Everything starts making sense then.

The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transparency about who these people are ultimately improves accountability. Would you work for a faux "anarcho-tyrannyist" firm where you have no idea who the CEO is and who the managers are that can fire you or cut your salary?

In what meaningful sense are kings and aristocrats "formally transparent"? The history of aristocracy (historical and contemporary) is the history of hiding money and power. The arc of liberal democracy has consistently bent away the kinds of secrets and implicit power structures that aristocracies thrive on.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

Journalism would be so much better with context like this. I wonder if there any initiatives that provide it. Maybe the blockchain would be of help here.

I can't tell how many layers of irony this comment contains.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

Jonah Bennett goes deep down the anti-semitic neoreactionary rabbit hole [1]. Interesting how Peter Thiel keeps funding these types of people [2].

[1] https://splinternews.com/leaked-emails-show-how-white-nation...

[2] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right...

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

Please. I mean, yes, but we should be 'doubly skeptical' of everything from The Atlantic, the New Yorker, the NYT, Fox, Bloomberg and WSJ and Foreign Policy as well.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transparency about who these people are ultimately improves accountability. Would you work for a faux "anarcho-tyrannyist" firm where you have no idea who the CEO is and who the managers are that can fire you or cut your salary?

In what meaningful sense are kings and aristocrats "formally transparent"? The history of aristocracy (historical and contemporary) is the history of hiding money and power. The arc of liberal democracy has consistently bent away the kinds of secrets and implicit power structures that aristocracies thrive on.

? The history of aristocracy is about amplifying perception of power.

Everyone knows who the King and Duke are and what their means of power are.

The stage elaborate public things to legitimize their power.

The Pharaohs themselves lived an entirely 'stage performed' existence to convince the plebes of their ostensible legitimacy.

There are 'other groups' with power, whereupon the public knowledge of their influence would be to their detriment, and they were not 'aristocrats' though they would have probably desperately like to be that.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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post #15

> If this is correct, then post-industrial society isn’t our name for the next stage of civilizational progress. Instead, the term is true in its most literal and pessimistic interpretation: a society after and without industrial civilization. Such a society doesn’t even have the social infrastructure of agricultural civilizations. This means it cannot even mint the preliminary social capital needed to reindustrializ…

I took "mint preliminary social capital" to mean, fundamentally, trust. The kinds of trust needed for a society to consent en masse to the collective capital project of (re-)industrializing are difficult to attain in the face of decaying material needs of the skilled labor force (if those skills even propagated forward to begin with.)
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