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Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#31

Well not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything like that, but you really don't know what could happen at any given moment, and need to phone emergency services. This is not paranoia (well maybe it is), but paranoia doesn't work retroactively, you have to be proactively paranoid. If you're concerned about privacy buy one of those cheap Nokia dumbphones that old people use. Keep your smartphone at home, and swa…

I'm not really blaming you here, this attidue is very normal these days, but a mere 25 years ago, most people had no cell phone, no mobile phone, and never, ever suffered mishap as a result.

(Inconvenience is not what I call a mishap)

I grew up in the country, and a few times had to walk 20 miles home, due to a dead car. Being a rural area, after 10pm, I might see 1 or 2 cars the entire walk home (4 hours and a bit).

During the day, there were times my car broke down, or I ran out of gas, so knocking on doors (a mile or so usually awake) was a better choice.

Often, a kind person would have some gas.

Compare this to ... the city. If you can yell loudly, literally thousands of people can hear you.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#32

My phone screen was cracked, I had to leave it with the repair place for an hour or two. It was glorious. I leisurely strolled past shops, sat down to eat something without being distracted, and generally enjoyed being outside. I had to ask someone for the time. I resolved to go without phones more often, as it made me feel connected to me environment more, with less stress and reduced absentmindedness. Of course I n…

My advice: get a watch. A nice Seiko, Citizen, etc dumb watch.

I found myself always pulling my phone out to check the time, then getting sucked in by notifications.

Now, I only use my watch to check the time, and find myself pulling my phone out way, way less in public.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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post #26

Being forced to pay for council parking in the UK using a mobile app is completely astonishing to me, and leaving home without your mobile, or no data or a broken phone can cause you a world of difficulties. I didn't agree to wanting to normalise the removal of parking meters and mandatory app usage just to park your car in a park or highsteet. I'm not sure where this motivation started.

Was there literally no alternative? Round these parts you can pay in cash (with no change given). I've heard people complain they were forced to use the app when they just didn't have any cash. (I have to be aware of the alternatives because I don't have a smartphone. It's not been an insurmountable problem yet.)

No alternatives and here's the Councils announcement: https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/parking/parking_machine...

Some have extended to non-residential areas. One of the biggest parking apps says this:

Q: "I have no network coverage and need to park?"

A: "Move quickly to an area with better network coverage and complete your parking transaction with PayByPhone... Pay for your parking via other methods such as PayPoint or via the Pay & Display machine where available"

Reference: https://support.paybyphone.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360010478...

FYI 'Pay and Display' are the parking meters being removed, 'PayPoint' might be in SOME convenience stores/shops. But if you know London these can be 20-30 mins walk or none there are all at your parking destination. Good luck attending an appointment during work lunch times!

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#35

Being forced to pay for council parking in the UK using a mobile app is completely astonishing to me, and leaving home without your mobile, or no data or a broken phone can cause you a world of difficulties. I didn't agree to wanting to normalise the removal of parking meters and mandatory app usage just to park your car in a park or highsteet. I'm not sure where this motivation started.

at least individual spot meters were reduced to block meters so that there was less physical infrastructure to maintain. in my city part of the motivation is data collection; rates are adjusted block by block based on the last quarter's occupancy relative to targets, and among other things the app nudges people towards slightly less optimal parking spots that are either cheaper or more available.

This data collection doesn't require a smartphone to pay, though.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#36

Well not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything like that, but you really don't know what could happen at any given moment, and need to phone emergency services. This is not paranoia (well maybe it is), but paranoia doesn't work retroactively, you have to be proactively paranoid. If you're concerned about privacy buy one of those cheap Nokia dumbphones that old people use. Keep your smartphone at home, and swa…

It's a radio I can use to summon help. Why would I _ever_ want to be without that?

Turn the notifications off, or get something like Tasker that can turn them off and on for you on a schedule. Otherwise, keep it in your pocket. This device has no control over you that you don't allow it to have.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#37
post #2

I think it's fine to be uncomfortable without your phone. It's understandable: they do so many useful things. However, it turns out what this post is really about is work communication, not about the functionality of phones that enhance our lives. When you're trying to get friends together, find a nice place to eat, and get directions to meet up, having a phone is far better than not having one. I wouldn't want to be…

Just have a separate work phone and leave that at home. It's better for a lot of other reasons too regarding you controlling your phone instead of your employer.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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post #31

Well not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything like that, but you really don't know what could happen at any given moment, and need to phone emergency services. This is not paranoia (well maybe it is), but paranoia doesn't work retroactively, you have to be proactively paranoid. If you're concerned about privacy buy one of those cheap Nokia dumbphones that old people use. Keep your smartphone at home, and swa…

I'm not really blaming you here, this attidue is very normal these days, but a mere 25 years ago, most people had no cell phone, no mobile phone, and never, ever suffered mishap as a result. (Inconvenience is not what I call a mishap) I grew up in the country, and a few times had to walk 20 miles home, due to a dead car. Being a rural area, after 10pm, I might see 1 or 2 cars the entire walk home (4 hours and a bit).…

25 years ago there was a pay phone in every gas station, and in denser areas in every corner market, bus terminal, grocery store, hotel, ..., not mentioning those installed directly along the street.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#39
post #31

Well not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything like that, but you really don't know what could happen at any given moment, and need to phone emergency services. This is not paranoia (well maybe it is), but paranoia doesn't work retroactively, you have to be proactively paranoid. If you're concerned about privacy buy one of those cheap Nokia dumbphones that old people use. Keep your smartphone at home, and swa…

I'm not really blaming you here, this attidue is very normal these days, but a mere 25 years ago, most people had no cell phone, no mobile phone, and never, ever suffered mishap as a result. (Inconvenience is not what I call a mishap) I grew up in the country, and a few times had to walk 20 miles home, due to a dead car. Being a rural area, after 10pm, I might see 1 or 2 cars the entire walk home (4 hours and a bit).…

Nobody is unhappy for not having what he doesn’t know that he can have.

Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

#40
I don't think it's healthy or normal to feel uncomfortable without a communications device. It's a sign of dependency. One should be able to put it out of mind and focus on deep tasks, leisure, interpersonal commitments and general real-life living without a neurotic impulse to check and inhabit a digital world.

I don't have a smartphone (prefer a landline but keep an old Nokia around too), so my life is more organised around emails and desktop based communication. I recognised back in the 90s that it used to take me hours to "decompress" from tech immersion. I would ruminate on what messages I might be missing, and think through communications in my mind in a quite obsessive way.

That was over 20 years ago. These days I'll go for a couple of days without thinking about the internet. I can happily live without a phone for a week or more no worries, and frequently do.

It's a long journey and there are constant pressures and temptations to over-use again. I wrote a book about coping with that.

It probably sounds as if I'm talking like a cognitive behavioural therapist. That's because I truly believe that smartphone use is fully congruent with addictive behaviours - not just for a few people, as was common thinking a few years ago, but for everybody, and as mounting scientific evidence supports there are numerous genuine harms both individual and societal [1]. In 2022 I no longer feel alone or unusual in this regard, because I see the world is waking up to it.

The question then is how we raise awareness of this emerging threat to mental wellbeing, and how we deal with it. Mobile technology certainly has its uses, but we must balance that with social/technological structures that give people ample space to control their own technology, make space and abstain from it as desired. A truly advanced technological society would meet this need. At present the gushing convergence on smartphones as "necessary" panacea is pathological in the extreme, and I am sure, simply fuelled by the profits of the tech industry rather than any underlying "need". Technology is becoming what is being _done_ to us.

[1] No I won't. Please have the good manners to Google for yourself (or go back through my many well refernced posts here).

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