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The End of Industrial Society

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

#11
Hum, grumble mumble... We surely are at the end of a cycle in human development terms, witch means the actual society going to change in something new, BUT "Industrial Society" is not actually a society in humans terms.

We have had countless "industrial society" in various different societies, from Japanese steel, China ceramic and shipping (far in the past), metallurgic industry from Celts, Roman industry, cord and weapons industry in more recent times, ... surely "industry" as a concept have changed.

It's still a matter of work in certain location with a certain supply chain to produce a certain (big) amount of goods, in tech terms we have switched various times and now we are about to change from subtractive manufacturing (CNC mills) to additive ones (3D printing) etc such tech change ALSO change more or less the human society but there are still two separate things.

Actual economically-driven, neoliberal society yes completely fails to evolve, because real progress is against certain business, because managerial/profit driven development is incompatible with real innovation, that's an enormous issue of the present time, but again not an "industrial society" issue.

Transportation changes thanks to TLCs and tech evolution, climate change push will probably push us from roads to air/water ways, so a future without major roads and rails infra that demand stability and a certain concentration will probably vanish in a more mixed and flexible ones, the need of big factories will change reducing a bit with tech progress, how we live will change accordingly, but again that's not an industrial society end, nor the actual society end...

It's still probably too early to say when and how such changes happens if they'll happen. There are still too much variables in the game.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#13

> These social technology cores decay with time as they obsolete their own foundations, and as errors and parasitism build up A lot to explain there. > Yet even in the case of Britain, the key social technologies failed after the Second World War, as the latitude afforded to aristocratic scientists and industrialists was replaced by a system of bureaucratic processes. And there. I found this unreadable, sorry. Lots o…

And also nutty statements like this:

> Americans and Europeans may at that point be de-facto barred from visiting China by their own governments

...which seems to indicate a lack of familiarity with the relationship between American+European governments and their citizens.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#14
> With a handshake and a reputation at stake, you could sail to the other end of the world, spending years out of contact with your business partners, yet secure in knowing they would honor their word.

How far we have fallen. We replaced handshakes with contracts that most people followed. Now few even follow contracts and break them willingly all the time.

Every job/business arrangement seems to just bring in more people into your life that you will hate someday.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#15
> If this is correct, then post-industrial society isn’t our name for the next stage of civilizational progress. Instead, the term is true in its most literal and pessimistic interpretation: a society after and without industrial civilization. Such a society doesn’t even have the social infrastructure of agricultural civilizations. This means it cannot even mint the preliminary social capital needed to reindustrialize. Likewise, we have lost the implicit knowledge upon which our industrial systems functioned even as recently as a few decades ago. That knowledge cannot be regained absent the people who actually built and understood those systems.

This is an interesting idea: that the shedding of industry by an industrial society is irreversible. There is no way to go back, no matter how desperately that might be desired.

But the reason presented seems kind of flimsy. What does "mint preliminary social capital" mean and why is it impossible after industrialization is abandoned? The idea isn't explained before or after the statement.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#16

> Not only marketers, but scientists, statesmen, industrialists, politicians, philosophers, and writers shaped ersatz social technology to fill the gaps, but completely failed to guarantee knowledge succession of the generative core of knowledge. The strange spiritual practices, scientific exploration of human psychology, and at times outright ideological cults of the founding cohort gave way to a more shallow type o…

Yes, a slightly challenging read, but it's not a dissertation, rather more an opinion piece.

There are some interesting ideas and constructs, not commonly presented, here.

Maybe rather than criticising it for not spoon feeding you with extracts/soundbites from sources that may appear to be of "academic substance" (but ultimately most likely assumptions themselves), consider it a source of ideas to explore and form your own opinions on.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#17

> Not only marketers, but scientists, statesmen, industrialists, politicians, philosophers, and writers shaped ersatz social technology to fill the gaps, but completely failed to guarantee knowledge succession of the generative core of knowledge. The strange spiritual practices, scientific exploration of human psychology, and at times outright ideological cults of the founding cohort gave way to a more shallow type o…

Yes, a slightly challenging read, but it's not a dissertation, rather more an opinion piece. There are some interesting ideas and constructs, not commonly presented, here. Maybe rather than criticising it for not spoon feeding you with extracts/soundbites from sources that may appear to be of "academic substance" (but ultimately most likely assumptions themselves), consider it a source of ideas to explore and form yo…

You seem to have missed the point of my brief comment. I didn't fail to understand the passage. I understood it and found it implausible.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#18
post #14

> With a handshake and a reputation at stake, you could sail to the other end of the world, spending years out of contact with your business partners, yet secure in knowing they would honor their word. How far we have fallen. We replaced handshakes with contracts that most people followed. Now few even follow contracts and break them willingly all the time. Every job/business arrangement seems to just bring in more p…

More like a handshake, a reputation at stake, and a threat of death penalty, if you want to take a more honest look at what would happen if you committed mutiny.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#19
post #7

No idea what the deal is with this site, it seemed intriguing but found this on their articles index. Probably should read it before making any judgments but... its mothers day, who has the time? > The Taliban Were Afghanistan’s Real Modernizers > Only a powerful modernizing force could overcome the tribal loyalties that divided Afghanistan’s fragile state. That force was the Taliban.

> its mothers day

Not here it isn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day

Re: The End of Industrial Society

#20
Industrial society didn’t end, it just moved to Asia, particularly Southeast Asia.

Someone is manufacturing all these “post-industrial” radio transceivers, screens and datacenters, after all. Still others are mining and drilling the required natural resources.

Bretton Woods and the Dollar as world reserve currency effected this shift from West to East.

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