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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by smugma »

throwawayboise wrote: post #76
zasdffaa wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists generally get it much easier. I'm all for more independent thought and fuck-you-ness but never forget that for most people that comes at a high price, so take off the rose-tinted specs.

Yep, I was just about to comment that this kind of decision is a lot easier to make when you have the fuck-you money that Goodfellow doubtless has.

I wouldn’t say he has FYM yet. Enough to maybe FIRE but more than cash, he’s in a position where almost any tech or related company would hire him, pay him a ton, and let him work on what he wants to do. Essentially, tenure at a university but paid 10X as much.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by praxulus »

sabellito wrote: post #40
thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #28

Good for him. These companies touting their solutions for creating a more connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since the pandemic hit. They're just fine. Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people than the loss of in-person collaboration opportuniti…

I have a strong dislike for remote work and will only work at companies with offices where people are expected to go to the vast majority of days. I absolutely understand that it's the opposite for some people.

Some people prefer remote teams, some people prefer in-person teams.

I don't know anyone who likes hybrid teams though.

Eventually I suspect we'll end up with a mix of remote and in-person employers, and workers who have a strong preference one way or another will just have to filter potential employers accordingly. There might be a way for larger businesses to have certain teams work remotely while others go into the office, but I suspect it would be difficult to manage.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

throwawayboise wrote: post #76
zasdffaa wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists generally get it much easier. I'm all for more independent thought and fuck-you-ness but never forget that for most people that comes at a high price, so take off the rose-tinted specs.

Yep, I was just about to comment that this kind of decision is a lot easier to make when you have the fuck-you money that Goodfellow doubtless has.

I certainly don't have "fuck you money", but these days I think most competent tech workers can easily get jobs elsewhere, so I don't think it's a big, risky move to quit your job.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by jjtheblunt »

whatever1 wrote: post #96
jjtheblunt wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The office is where the very expensive labs are. For at least parts of Apple engineering, very expensive equipment and prototypes are under lockdown and too expensive to duplicate for WFH. (at least that's how it was during my several years there.)

But why ML people have to be forced in the office ?

hard to say, perhaps access to future dev hardware accelerators (neural engines)

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by smugma »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #8

You might agree or disagree with RTO but at least they aren't bending the rules for execs.

That’s a good point (and I think it’s true), but that’s not shown here. If he wanted to work remote, they probably would have let him. Maybe he’d be an ICT7 rather than a Director, but same pay scale. His reason for quitting was he felt a more flexible policy would be best for his team. Maybe he even likes being in the office but wasn’t willing to have to tow the party line for a policy with which he didn’t agree.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by [deleted] »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #97
hooande wrote: post #77

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here's to you, good luck in your journey. make it worth it "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a t…

"Elegant, inspiring, soaring prose often makes for incredibly shitty real-world advice." - hn_throwaway_99

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by cm2012 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #97
hooande wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

here's to you, good luck in your journey. make it worth it "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a t…

"Elegant, inspiring, soaring prose often makes for incredibly shitty real-world advice." - hn_throwaway_99

Yeah seriously, that comment is like the ultimate anti-advice.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by reaperducer »

williamsmj wrote: post #68
jjj123 wrote: post #57

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What do you mean by that? My manager at my last job was in a union. There was, however, a separate union for managers and one for ICs.

The NLRA says "Nothing herein shall prohibit any individual employed as a supervisor from becoming or remaining a member of a labor organization, but no employer subject to this Act [subchapter] shall be compelled to deem individuals defined herein as supervisors as employees for the purpose of any law, either national or local, relating to collective bargaining." ...which effectively states that if a supervisor join…

His experience is no unique. Back in high school, my first job was at a supermarket. The union shopsteward was the assistant manager.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by CamperBob2 »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #38

Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…

"Also, be careful with that hammer, you might trip and fall and break the screen."

Not the same company anymore... not even close.

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