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'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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post #26

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Why would I bother checking Google Maps? But basically, yeah. If Google wants my expertise and data collection ability, they can pay me for it. As it stands now they just cold call businesses and ask them with an AI thing.

What other source would you rather check?

OpenStreetMap?

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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On a related note, am I right in understand that the "Google Experts" [1] do it for free? [1] https://developers.google.com/community/experts/

This is probably one of the more embarrassing and shameful parts of Google's labor ecosystem. These "Google $title Experts" work as uncompensated customer support (a legal requirement that they treat as such, if the quality is any indicator) on various social media outlets like Reddit and Twitter. They don't just provide free labor, they also go to bat for Google's reputation, acting as marketing and PR liaisons to p…

> They don't just provide free labor, they also go to bat for Google's reputation, acting as marketing and PR liaisons to prevent backlash from users who've been failed by their official support processes.

This is so true. When I try to find a fix for some broken behavior in a major Google app the most common place I end up is a support forum with zero solution, no comment from any Google employee, and a volunteer support person saying how the defect isn't actually a problem but that you should submit feedback within the app.

These volunteers can't be helping at this point. Google's disdain for users is pretty widely recognized by now and seeing a whole bunch of frustrated users being blown off yet again doesn't help.

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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Dumb question - why can't I just upvote and downvote pages, and Google enhances its ranking for me based on that? Maybe that's why the search "X reddit" is so popular - it's got a bit of that social validation.

Google already has similar signals:

1. Do you click on the link in the results page?

2. After clicking on that link, do you go back to the search or not?

3. How long do you stay there before coming back?

Adding an explicit up/downvote would capture some additional information, but it would overlap with the above, and most users would ignore the button. I’d guess Google has at some point experimented with this and found it wasn’t worth keeping.

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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Dumb question - why can't I just upvote and downvote pages, and Google enhances its ranking for me based on that? Maybe that's why the search "X reddit" is so popular - it's got a bit of that social validation.

Google already has similar signals: 1. Do you click on the link in the results page? 2. After clicking on that link, do you go back to the search or not? 3. How long do you stay there before coming back? Adding an explicit up/downvote would capture some additional information, but it would overlap with the above, and most users would ignore the button. I’d guess Google has at some point experimented with this and fou…

I'm sure they have all sorts of fancy stuff but at the end of the day, there's a lot of SEO garbage at the top of the rankings that I would really love to downvote.

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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Who do you reckon would cast the most votes? Correct, SEO bots.

If Google can't use it's vast array of user data to tell the difference between SEO bots and non-bot users, what's even the point of it collecting all that fucking data in the first place?

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Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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Who do you reckon would cast the most votes? Correct, SEO bots.

If Google can't use it's vast array of user data to tell the difference between SEO bots and non-bot users, what's even the point of it collecting all that fucking data in the first place?

Good point, but I have my reasons for suspecting they can't tell the difference https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31296953

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I bother checking Google Maps? But basically, yeah. If Google wants my expertise and data collection ability, they can pay me for it. As it stands now they just cold call businesses and ask them with an AI thing.

What other source would you rather check?

I always check the actual website of the business in question. Search engines are wrong like 40% of the time in my experience.

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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Dumb question - why can't I just upvote and downvote pages, and Google enhances its ranking for me based on that? Maybe that's why the search "X reddit" is so popular - it's got a bit of that social validation.

Google already has similar signals: 1. Do you click on the link in the results page? 2. After clicking on that link, do you go back to the search or not? 3. How long do you stay there before coming back? Adding an explicit up/downvote would capture some additional information, but it would overlap with the above, and most users would ignore the button. I’d guess Google has at some point experimented with this and fou…

> Adding an explicit up/downvote would capture some additional information, but it would overlap with the above, and most users would ignore the button. I’d guess Google has at some point experimented with this and found it wasn’t worth keeping.

Sounds pretty ripe for abuse too.

Re: 'Rater' is paid $10 hourly to teach Google's algorithm

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other source would you rather check?

OpenStreetMap?

Okay! I just opened OsmAnd and looked up my local supermarket. Sadly, no work hours. And this is a very popular supermarket right next to a train station in central Brooklyn, NY.

The thing is that business owners do update the info on Google Maps, and have an incentive to do so, but only volunteers update OSM.

OSM shines where businesses don't care but volunteers do: trails in a park, non-commercial POIs, etc.

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