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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I think Russia is the wrong place to look for what European countries will and won’t do. On the whole the EU project, and the approach of tight economic ties across the continent has been a huge success. Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. Before the EU and the drive to economic integration, Europe had been in a state of almost perpetual war between the different states. Even today the econo…

This is propaganda. "Before we had war, but now we don't, must be EU" And your own evidence: "Nobody is worried about the U.K. declaring war on France" .... contradicts your point - the UK was not part of the EEC/EU for most of it's existence, so did the EU/EEC 'stop wars'? Seems like 'UK and France' learned to get along without 'deep economic integration'. And Switzerland? They've never been to war - and they have t…

> the UK was not part of the EEC/EU for most of it's existence, so did the EU/EEC 'stop wars'?

Not for lack of trying. The U.K. very much wanted to be part of the EU/EEC almost from inception. Going to war with a union you want join isn’t generally seen as a good way prove the advantages of your joining the union.

Additionally the U.K. and France did build extremely close economic ties during and after WW2. Much easier to trade with your neighbour than random countries on the other side of the planet.

Switzerland and Finland are both part the European Economic Area, the treaty the provides the underpinnings of free trade in Europe. All joined the EEA because it was clear that building wealth and prosperity through economic integration was a smarter approach than trying to invade your neighbours.

> South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Canada, US, Mexico have not fought wars against each other either.

Many of these counties are separated by significant physical distance, making war unlikely and difficult, or simply don’t have resources worth stealing via war. What to be gained by invading Singapore or Japan? They have no natural resources worth talking about, and country under force foreign rule tends to be an unproductive one.

Canada and US almost went to war several times before WW2. Primary preventers of those wars were either colonial rulers not wanting to get into a shooting war with another colonial country, or the simple fact that both countries had plenty of natural resources already, so bother with the expense and difficulty of invading a neighbour for resources you can dig up in your own back yard?

At the end of the day, there’s only a handful of reasons that make warfare worthwhile. Primarily the reason is access to naturals resources you don’t have within your own territory. But why bother invading if you can just trade instead? Much cheaper and easier, hence economic integration becomes an obvious path forward. Once you’re integrated, why would risk easy cheap access to resources by invading? You pour huge amounts of money, time and people in to a war, and gain what? Slightly cheaper access to resources, but if you consider the cost of war, it’s obvious that just trading for resources is cheaper, faster and easier.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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That is a flippant and simplistic view of the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia. Ukraine had a lower performing, cheaper economy than Russia, free trade status with the EU means that it could have setup factories for rich EU compani…

"The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia." ? They said the same thing to the UK, and they say the same thing to every country. Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones.

> They said the same thing to the UK

They didn't because the UK didn't even have the same problem due to the UK already having been a EU member for a long time, as such it was already tooled for EU market demands.

While the Ukrainian economy was very much tooled towards former Soviet markets like Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, those made up 60% of Ukraine's exports in 2013 [0].

Obviously a lot of that fell apart after 2014, instead came IMF bailouts aka loans [1], which have been keeping the Ukrainian economy alive since then, now substituted with additional credits for the weapons some countries are supplying Ukraine.

> Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones.

So you do understand the actual issue? Then why act like it ain't an issue and it's just "Russian propaganda like in the UK!"?

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-russia-ukraine-factbox...

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I actually agree about the legitimate fears, but this doesn't justify invading anyone. And the situation in Ukraine was manufactured by Russia on purpose. It's true that USA has done some terrible things in the past. And it's too bad the perpetrators never got punished. But it doesn't mean we should tolerate this behaviour elsewhere.

> And the situation in Ukraine was manufactured by Russia on purpose. That makes no sense at all [0], it wasn't Russian politicians that went to Euromaidan to rile the people there up how more negotiations would be "Not enough" [1], that were pretty much Western, and particularly US politicians and "their people" in Ukraine, like Arseniy Yatsenyuk [2]. Who Victoria Nuland called "our man in Ukraine" when discussing h…

See, you just demonstrated it yourself: you are arguing that Russia isn’t guilty, because Ukraine did something that make Russia angry. The crucial part is not what you are arguing about, it’s your assumption that Russia has any rights to countries outside its borders.

US war crimes are a thing, sure. But Russia just demonstrated a whole another level, as proven by genocide in Bucha, Mariupol and many others, as well as mass kidnappings and relocations to Siberia. US invaded countries, while Russia is literal Nazis.

As for why Russia was manufacturing the conflict: it’s obvious, it’s an attempt to grab land. They succeeded with Crimea.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Russian frozen reserves were what, 200 billion? Passing it to Ukraine shouldn’t strain EU or US budgets. As for losses - in war the victor always suffers some losses. The point is: Ukraine will survive this, Russia probably won’t.

Based on media interviews with experts it doesn’t seem like the West has any legitimate claim on the money/assets and there’s a lot to untangle to make it legally possible to touch them. Even if that were to happen, the consequences would be significant. The EU and the US could casually and arbitrarily claim the assets of any country which is involved in a random conflict not associated with either the EU or US. Nobo…

Losers don’t have legal rights. See how nazi Germany and Japan were handled after WW2.

As for “random conflict” - this isn’t a random conflict, as evidenced by the scale of (still expanding) sanctions.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Speaking of North Korea, their sanction-proofing themselves might finally pay off. I bet their heavily sanction-proofed products--not vulnerable to sanctions of their complements, and not dependent on sanctionables for production--are more attractive to the Russian markets now. And the sanctions mean they have less competition. You know I haven't seen a single DPRK product in my life? Not one. Not even a book. Not ev…

I’m not sure that NK is really a good example to follow. Yes, it’s certainly possible to become sanction proof like NK, but NK is basically subsisting and even that is being charitable. If your plan is to rekindle the golden age of your nation, then becoming an international pariah and have half the population starving is probably not the way to go. What happened to (and with) Russia is a tragedy. Really, a nation an…

> and even that is being charitable

Don't say you're being charitable when you're being cruel.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Based on media interviews with experts it doesn’t seem like the West has any legitimate claim on the money/assets and there’s a lot to untangle to make it legally possible to touch them. Even if that were to happen, the consequences would be significant. The EU and the US could casually and arbitrarily claim the assets of any country which is involved in a random conflict not associated with either the EU or US. Nobo…

Losers don’t have legal rights. See how nazi Germany and Japan were handled after WW2. As for “random conflict” - this isn’t a random conflict, as evidenced by the scale of (still expanding) sanctions.

Don’t know much about Japan, but German nazis were not only subjected to trial, but some of them even got jobs in e.g the US. So losers do have rights, even literal nazis in 1945.

From the P.O.V of China, Brasil and many other countries it is a random conflict that does not affect them. Rather it’s the sanctions which they take notice of and the indirect effects of the sanctions such as food shortages, price increases, etc.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Losers don’t have legal rights. See how nazi Germany and Japan were handled after WW2. As for “random conflict” - this isn’t a random conflict, as evidenced by the scale of (still expanding) sanctions.

Don’t know much about Japan, but German nazis were not only subjected to trial, but some of them even got jobs in e.g the US. So losers do have rights, even literal nazis in 1945. From the P.O.V of China, Brasil and many other countries it is a random conflict that does not affect them. Rather it’s the sanctions which they take notice of and the indirect effects of the sanctions such as food shortages, price increase…

I’m not talking about Russians, the people - I’m talking about Russia, the country. There were no laws that mandated what was made to nazi Germany and Japan after the war.

From POV of China this is absolutely not a “random conflict” - it’s a war between world’s two nuclear powers. And yes, it looks like this mainly because of the successful defensive actions, but that’s just an “implementation detail”, so to speak.

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