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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

verisimi wrote: post #19
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

> "Geofenced" That's the word. That's the plan. We will be geofenced, there will be a kill switch. You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it. In fact, I think Uber is the best example of geofencing we have for the long run. In the medium term, self-driving cars you still own will fill the gap.

Yeah, so much unlike the present, where you can go wherever you want (if the government has built a road to do so).

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by user3939382 »

lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

> they seem to be so confident in their system

Having spent a lifetime building networks and software that actually makes me nervous

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by yissp »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #127
mirntyfirty wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the movie, if I remember the scene correctly Norton discusses the financial incentives leading to auto product recalls. I don’t think this is accurate in real life although Boeing hasn’t inspired much confidence.

>I don’t think this is accurate in real life Ehhhh I mean they often don’t say the quiet part out loud but many companies definitely run a variation of the equation he describes.

The "Pinto Memo" [1] being a notable example. Although, as the article says, the cost / benefit analysis was against "societal costs" of the safety issues, not just the cost of litigation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost%E2%80%93benefi...

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by robonerd »

Hamuko wrote: post #122
robonerd wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be the way it works in Israel, but it's not a safe way to drive even if the law permits it. In Washington state, every intersection is a crosswalk whether or not it's marked, and you have to stop for any pedestrian crossing an intersection whether or not the light says the pedestrian can be there. I hope these car companies get local laws right. But it would be best if they did the safe thing even if local…

It's not a safe way to walk either, and I don't know where walking against a red light is legal.

Walking through a red-light is illegal and so is driving through a green light when somebody is improperly walking through the intersection. There's no contradiction here.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by xixixao »

hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #137
ksubedi wrote: post #73

What most people here complaining about the "40 mph" limit do not realize is that below 40mph is where it's hardest to implement proper self driving, as majority of below 40mph driving will be in city streets with pedestrians, frequent turns and more variables. Anything higher will generally be in highways where lane assist cruise control systems are already more than good enough. I will gladly take a system that can…

I really don’t think they’re more than good enough on highways. Even teslas still veer over when they encounter on-ramp-merges.

Hardly a problem in Europe where on ramps are much better (one lane is primary and one is joining).

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by ffhhj »

Vespasian wrote: post #133
369548684892826 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot This probably just means autopilot gets disengaged just before impact

This also includes a 10 second takeover window (in accordance with EU regulations)

Can a driver wake up, be calm, get spatial understanding, do bayesian physics predictions and decide the corrective maneuver in 10 seconds?

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by rvz »

mdoms wrote: post #18

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Here's another joke from the same clown at the time: Where are the robo-taxis due for release in 2020 or even Level 5 FSD? [0] Just ask any Musk fan and they will either give no concrete explanation or attempt to dodge and give a hand-wavy response in the form of an admission.

> How are people still listening to this clown?

No wonder, so many people love getting openly scammed in style by him so many times, even defending the atrocious contraption FSD (Fools Self Driving) still is.

[0] https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-lev...

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by criddell »

ffhhj wrote: post #146
Vespasian wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also includes a 10 second takeover window (in accordance with EU regulations)

Can a driver wake up, be calm, get spatial understanding, do bayesian physics predictions and decide the corrective maneuver in 10 seconds?

That's plenty of time. Find a clock and watch the second hand move for ten seconds. It's a long time.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by recursive »

tigershark wrote: post #134
verisimi wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm being downvoted - but this is the reality of what will happen. Who wants that sort of monitoring when they are driving? Is this a consumer-driven feature? Or is this more government management - leveraging technology to micro-manage every detail of our lives - only allowing good citizens travel privileges etc? We are sleep walking into a dystopia, and I get downvoted for stating the obvious! Seriously - your gove…

Is seriously this your biggest concern about government controlling you after the news that the Supreme Court banned abortion? You don’t have any whatsoever concern about that, I bet.

You are attempting to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. This is known as "whataboutism", and there's an article on it on wikipedia.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by switchbak »

user3939382 wrote: post #142
lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

> they seem to be so confident in their system Having spent a lifetime building networks and software that actually makes me nervous

There's nothing about the way that I've seen automotive related software built that inspires me with confidence. Quite the opposite.
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