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Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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post #23

> Twitter is making the transition towards a "free speach" platform Twitter was originally a free speech platform. It transitioned away from that, much to the chagrin of its co-founder. "Twitter stands for freedom of expression. We stand for speaking truth to power. And we stand for empowering dialogue." https://twitter.com/jack/status/651003891153108997 The point is to restore the platform's core value and be a neut…

It takes a huge leap of logic to come to the conclusion that Musk cares about free speech for anyone other than himself. What he wants is speech without consequences for himself. His ability to speak is mostly unrestricted by any government power, and policy changes at Twitter will have no effect on what few restrictions he might encounter.

>What he wants is speech without consequences for himself. His ability to speak is mostly unrestricted by any government power

... and you're the one lecturing about flawed logic?

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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I feel like the hype of social media has peaked a few years ago, at least in America. Numbers probably still are growing but it feels much more "okay" to not use social media at all nowadays versus a feel years ago it would feel pretty taboo to not use social media.

"What? You don't have a facebook account? Is something wrong with you?" - 2017

"Damn, that's a good idea to delete facebook, I wish I could" - 2022

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't a saturation point a synonym for a plateau? Once something is saturated with X, you cannot add any more X to it.

A plateau is more like a flat spot before more growth. Saturation means no more room for growth.

My sense of plateau as a colloquialism is that it implies a flattened peak before a descent. Elvis plateau'd in the 50s.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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I don't think so, and let me bring up a very tortured analogy to explain why.

It took centuries for the meta-game of chess to develop. With the advent of supercomputers, this process has sped up considerably, but even still, it took a lot of trial and error to discover niche moves for certain scenarios.

MMA is the same way. Some techniques, like the calf kick, have only been recently refined and started to be perfected, despite kicking being more or less a move any human could perform for over 200,00 years. Yet we don't seem to have a history of it.

You see this across the board in many domains. Perhaps it has something to do with the difficulty of optimizing game theory. Or maybe for centuries information just didn't traverse that efficiently and now with the Internet and improved data storage, it just occurs much faster.

At any rate, I suspect social media is similar. We probably don't know what an "optimum" site would look like. Twitter doesn't even have an "Edit" button yet, which is a fairly simple mechanism that would unlock a lot of new interactions.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A plateau is more like a flat spot before more growth. Saturation means no more room for growth.

My sense of plateau as a colloquialism is that it implies a flattened peak before a descent. Elvis plateau'd in the 50s.

The dictionary's sense of Plateau:

a level of attainment or achievement [1]

What you're describing is, as you've said, a peak. Sure, Elvis peaked in the 50's, then it was a steady decline (not a plateau) since then.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plateau

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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post #3

I think there's plenty of room for improvement in social media. At this point, it's all geared toward maximizing ad revenue, which is not closely aligned with maximizing utility for users.

> At this point, it's all geared toward maximizing ad revenue Well, you have to make money somehow and users will never pay for social media after having been spoiled for 15+ years by free Facebook , not to mention the 20+ years of free Google. When I paid for Linkedin Gold I felt scammed and canceled after a month. People are not willing to pay for marginal improvements, they are only willing to pay for very importa…

> you have to make money somehow and users will never pay for social media

SomethingAwful charge(ed|s) $10 to create an account and we’re ruthless with banning people who were not behaving. It worked really well

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Platforms such as Facebook are great aggregators of generic information, but are not very customisable when you want to discuss specific topics i.e. when people want to talk about cars, Twitter or Instagram are limited to comments when in fact you might want to have more features to generate interaction. They also don’t want to discuss it in the same place as their uncle. I believe this is the point we are now: a lot…

Facebook is definitely NOT a great aggregator of information. Trying to see surface something from years ago is damn near impossible.

An aggregator is not an archive and at this level it works really well. Twitter is also a good aggregator and a bad archive but this is a characteristic of almost all social media platforms: instant, up to date information. Search, is not one of them.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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post #52

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OK, given you're correct then how do people's lives compare now with those in the past in the pre-social media days? We shouldn't forget that for all of history until the recent advent of social media individuals had to 'connect' in different ways and that they were somehow successful in doing so—or civilization/society wouldn't exist. In the past, novelty wasn't much of an option as people had very limited choices w…

I suspect that the geographical limits of pre-internet "social platforms" was what filtered out the toxicity we observe now. If your social club was a dance hall or book club or garden society or union pub, your interactions were limited to people within an hour of travel time or so. That's such a TINY sample of people that fringe beliefs and behaviors were always recognized as marginalia and tended to stay there. Th…

"...geographical limits... was what filtered out the toxicity we observe now"

I don't doubt that that was true. I could amplify my reasons for why I reckon it's so but here that wouldn't contribute much more than I've already said.

I was brought up in a reasonably but not strictly socially conservative town of some 12,000 or so with seemingly few social problems that was about 70 miles from a large urban center of some millions.

Certainly, back then, there were no drug issues other than perhaps alcohol and that wasn't obvious to me. In hindsight, it was a halcyon time and place in which to grow up and I'm so glad that that was my childhood and teenage experience.

No doubt, there were those whose experience wasn't typical but they were never prominent in that they were the subject of common discussion. (Incidentally, I'd never heard the term 'nazi sympathizer' until years after I'd left the town.)

From my experience, the never-ending and increasing loads of information, much of which isn't positive, that people are now exposed to is most of the problem - and it doesn't matter much from where it comes or what it's about.

My early years have taught me that there's a type of threshold effect at work here. People can cope tollerably well with a certain level of negative information after which their defenses break down (as I see it, humans have only limited capacity to process 'bad' information before they begin to suffer emotionally).

I've little practical idea how we go about resolving this problem in our 'over-connected' societies. Speaking for myself, I've almost completely given up watching TV or listening to radio news and I'd not be seen dead anywhere near social media.

These avoidance habits work for me and stop me from becoming despondent. Unfortunately, I've observed that for many the worse the news is the more addictive their attention becomes.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, given you're correct then how do people's lives compare now with those in the past in the pre-social media days? We shouldn't forget that for all of history until the recent advent of social media individuals had to 'connect' in different ways and that they were somehow successful in doing so—or civilization/society wouldn't exist. In the past, novelty wasn't much of an option as people had very limited choices w…

Even before social media, people have been constantly adopting novel communication channels since the advent of electricity: telegraph, telephone, facsimile, email, Usenet, web forums, instant messaging, etc. There will eventually be some new disruptive innovation in communication that partially supplants what we now consider to be "social media" but no one knows for sure what that will be. It might have to be built…

"I think there are quite a few different options in the real world too."

I reckon so too. I also believe we now have sufficient evidence as to the causes of the problems and that we've ways to start fixing them.

However, we seem to be behaving as if we need to grind the information to a 100% certainty before we act. We don't need this high level of granularity to do so, so I suspect consensus (politics) and inertia are the key delaying factors. Unfortunately, history has shown they're tenaciously difficult to alter.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, given you're correct then how do people's lives compare now with those in the past in the pre-social media days? We shouldn't forget that for all of history until the recent advent of social media individuals had to 'connect' in different ways and that they were somehow successful in doing so—or civilization/society wouldn't exist. In the past, novelty wasn't much of an option as people had very limited choices w…

I think there are quite a few different options in the real world too. Through your kids school, through the local bar, etc... each physical location has different social rules that allow people to connect in different ways. In much the same way you can get bored of hanging out one place and go somewhere else. I do think so many people on their phones have been detrimental to some real life interaction. (Edited to no…

See my accidental reply to nradov (I should really stop using multiple computers at once). :-)
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