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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by anamax »

seoaeu wrote: post #343
anamax wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the CDC. They've been saying "Spanish Flu - give us money" for years and we find out that they didn't bother to research how any of the flus are transmitted. It's not like flus haven't been killing 35-75k Americans every year for as long as anyone has counted. Speaking of the Spanish Flu, Fauci's PhD was on how improvised masks made it worse... Also, one of the big Spanish Flu outbreaks was "credited" to a pa…

Almost like the flu and Covid are different diseases that don’t have identical patterns of transmission

Coronaviruses ARE one of the flu types.

Note that Covid-19 is SARS2 - SARS1 was 10 years ago.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by seoaeu »

anamax wrote: post #431
seoaeu wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost like the flu and Covid are different diseases that don’t have identical patterns of transmission

Coronaviruses ARE one of the flu types. Note that Covid-19 is SARS2 - SARS1 was 10 years ago.

> Coronaviruses ARE one of the flu types.

No, influenza is not a coronavirus.

> Note that Covid-19 is SARS2 - SARS1 was 10 years ago.

I don't know what this has to do with my comment, but if we're going to be pedantic, Covid-19 is the disease caused by the SARS‑CoV‑2 virus.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by monksy »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #312
monksy wrote: post #308

This was mentioned in April 2020 ish and no one blinked an eye. It was showing how much people left their houses, how far out did they travel to, did they participate in entertainment venues, did they eat out etc. The data was never used for enforcement purposes. (if it was.. it wasn't very efficient at all)

I might be in the minority, but I don’t care if it was used to make macoroni art. I also don’t care how harmless or good the CDC might be to someone. A government entity should not be a using tax payer money to purchase privacy sensitive data of citizens.

For anything other than a disease prevention and tracking agency (debatiable if the CDC follows into that.. insert Dr Glockenflocken video about that for reference) I agree with you. Enforcement agencies like the FBI shouldn't be getting that info to work with.

With dieases similar to covid, measles, etc .. it's an invaluable tool to be able to determine how, and where infection occured. This allowed for some fantastic studies and finds in Korea. (I.e. https://jkms.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3346/jkms.2020.35.e415 would not have been possible without the phone data)

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by anamax »

seoaeu wrote: post #433
anamax wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coronaviruses ARE one of the flu types. Note that Covid-19 is SARS2 - SARS1 was 10 years ago.

> Coronaviruses ARE one of the flu types. No, influenza is not a coronavirus. > Note that Covid-19 is SARS2 - SARS1 was 10 years ago. I don't know what this has to do with my comment, but if we're going to be pedantic, Covid-19 is the disease caused by the SARS‑CoV‑2 virus.

The 35-75k deaths/year isn't just influenzas.

Do you really want to argue that the public health community was saying "hey, we're only interested in influenza" when they used various pandemics to argue for funding for the last 80+ years? (Influenza wasn't even distinguished until the mid 30s.)

Yes, Covid-19 is SARS2. My point is that SARS1 was 10 years ago, which is plenty of time for the public health community to do relevant research and yet ....

Do you want to bet that they didn't fundraise off of SARS1 specifically? And yet...

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by anamax »

cde-v wrote: post #294
anamax wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the CDC. They've been saying "Spanish Flu - give us money" for years and we find out that they didn't bother to research how any of the flus are transmitted. It's not like flus haven't been killing 35-75k Americans every year for as long as anyone has counted. Speaking of the Spanish Flu, Fauci's PhD was on how improvised masks made it worse... Also, one of the big Spanish Flu outbreaks was "credited" to a pa…

Gish galloping at its finest

Which statement do you disagree with?

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by seoaeu »

anamax wrote: post #435
seoaeu wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Coronaviruses ARE one of the flu types. No, influenza is not a coronavirus. > Note that Covid-19 is SARS2 - SARS1 was 10 years ago. I don't know what this has to do with my comment, but if we're going to be pedantic, Covid-19 is the disease caused by the SARS‑CoV‑2 virus.

The 35-75k deaths/year isn't just influenzas. Do you really want to argue that the public health community was saying "hey, we're only interested in influenza" when they used various pandemics to argue for funding for the last 80+ years? (Influenza wasn't even distinguished until the mid 30s.) Yes, Covid-19 is SARS2. My point is that SARS1 was 10 years ago, which is plenty of time for the public health community to d…

> 10 years ago, which is plenty of time for the public health community to do relevant research

Ok, that's enough for me. You're clearly just trolling

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by anamax »

seoaeu wrote: post #437
anamax wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 35-75k deaths/year isn't just influenzas. Do you really want to argue that the public health community was saying "hey, we're only interested in influenza" when they used various pandemics to argue for funding for the last 80+ years? (Influenza wasn't even distinguished until the mid 30s.) Yes, Covid-19 is SARS2. My point is that SARS1 was 10 years ago, which is plenty of time for the public health community to d…

> 10 years ago, which is plenty of time for the public health community to do relevant research Ok, that's enough for me. You're clearly just trolling

10 years isn't enough time to research coronavirus transmission? (SARS1 wasn't the first, but ....)

How long then?

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by ByteJockey »

darkerside wrote: post #384
ByteJockey wrote: post #332

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> the CDC is at worst going to do what it thinks is best for you I don't want to get involved with what the CDC is doing here (because they're probably not doing anything too nefarious), but I would like to pull this point out. The intentions of an institution (or at least surface level justifications) are kind of unrelated to the point. What an institution thinks is best for someone and what that individual thinks i…

Intentions and outcomes can certainly be different, but I think intentions provide a higher floor for the downside risk.

> but I think intentions provide a higher floor for the downside risk.

The quote at the end was supposed to convey the opposite message.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by darkerside »

ByteJockey wrote: post #439
darkerside wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intentions and outcomes can certainly be different, but I think intentions provide a higher floor for the downside risk.

> but I think intentions provide a higher floor for the downside risk. The quote at the end was supposed to convey the opposite message.

I think the risk C.S. describes there is the endless nature of the torment, not the severity. Stung by gadflies, not dismembered by a nemesis.
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