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Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by jarek »

Hrothgar15 wrote: post #24
flyosity wrote: post #16

From the review at This Is My Next: "The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there." You have got to be kidding me. How is it that Android still doesn't map a user's finger movements with nearly 1:1 accuracy on the screen? Pinch, zoom and flick response times on the iPhone have been superior to Android for years, even with significantly less powerful hardware (comp…

Google doesn't think this is an issue. And that is exactly the problem.

Judging by sales, an awful lot of people seem to agree with their assessment.

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by cmgarcia »

flyosity wrote: post #16

From the review at This Is My Next: "The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there." You have got to be kidding me. How is it that Android still doesn't map a user's finger movements with nearly 1:1 accuracy on the screen? Pinch, zoom and flick response times on the iPhone have been superior to Android for years, even with significantly less powerful hardware (comp…

So much for the flame war you predicted, everyone just agrees.

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

psychotik wrote: post #29

9 releases in 3 years -- anyone else think that's too much? I'm a mobile developer and just keeping up with Google/Apple updates is a huge task. It's almost come to a point where they ignore serviceability of products and just keep churning out new ones, expecting the eco system to keep up. And given Google's 'excellent' QA, my code is full of runtime-conditional checking to enable/disable features based on the user'…

What problems have you have with backward/forward compatibility with Android releases?

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by jarek »

psychotik wrote: post #29

9 releases in 3 years -- anyone else think that's too much? I'm a mobile developer and just keeping up with Google/Apple updates is a huge task. It's almost come to a point where they ignore serviceability of products and just keep churning out new ones, expecting the eco system to keep up. And given Google's 'excellent' QA, my code is full of runtime-conditional checking to enable/disable features based on the user'…

I thought Honeycomb was a tablet-only release. It will necessarily have a lower market share than universal/phone Android releases.

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by noilly »

flyosity wrote: post #16

From the review at This Is My Next: "The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there." You have got to be kidding me. How is it that Android still doesn't map a user's finger movements with nearly 1:1 accuracy on the screen? Pinch, zoom and flick response times on the iPhone have been superior to Android for years, even with significantly less powerful hardware (comp…

afaik, it's android's lack of GPU acceleration for the UI

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by seunghomattyang »

flyosity wrote: post #16

From the review at This Is My Next: "The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there." You have got to be kidding me. How is it that Android still doesn't map a user's finger movements with nearly 1:1 accuracy on the screen? Pinch, zoom and flick response times on the iPhone have been superior to Android for years, even with significantly less powerful hardware (comp…

I think it comes down to the fact that most of the Android users don't care about the responsiveness. Maybe there exists this mentality at Google that since Android is expanding pretty well, why bother spend extra resources into GUI acceleration or design? And to an extent, that makes perfect sense. Most Android users don't care enough about responsiveness to pay more (sometimes less) for iPhone or don't even know smartphones could be—and should be—"smooth" since all they have used are Android phones.

We are simply spoiled by the Apple's way of doing things: fixing things that aren't broken for the betterment of UX. Take the smoother folder opening animations in iOS 5, for example. Apple didn't have to fix it but Apple did it anyways because both Apple and its users care about things like that. Unfortunately, some people just don't.

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by itsmeritesh »

4.6" seems a little big. But the face unlock feature seems really cool. I hoped that the nexus would come with a quad core chip, but current config doesn't look all that bad.

As a nexus one user, I am worried that the stock ICS may not support the phone's hardware. The whole buttons things is a mess. Love Android!

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by olivercameron »

jarek wrote: post #31
Hrothgar15 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't think this is an issue. And that is exactly the problem.

Judging by sales, an awful lot of people seem to agree with their assessment.

Let's not forget the relatively high return rate[1] on Android devices.

1. http://androidcommunity.com/android-return-rate-30-40-on-som...

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by psychotik »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #33
psychotik wrote: post #29

9 releases in 3 years -- anyone else think that's too much? I'm a mobile developer and just keeping up with Google/Apple updates is a huge task. It's almost come to a point where they ignore serviceability of products and just keep churning out new ones, expecting the eco system to keep up. And given Google's 'excellent' QA, my code is full of runtime-conditional checking to enable/disable features based on the user'…

What problems have you have with backward/forward compatibility with Android releases?

Have you tried using the Android Compatibility Library? It has several bugs, well documented with repro steps, that aren't even triaged. So now there's tons of Github forks, each with custom fixes. And when Google releases an update, all hell breaks loose.

As an exercise, try converting a mildly complex app from using Activities to using Fragments. I guarantee you that you will need to sacrifice some functionality (for instance, try using ViewPager with ListFragments, and implement keyboard filtering). Now, hack stuff till you're only sort-of broken. Then, try to make it work from v1.6 to v3.0. Then, test it all in the ass-slow emulator (because you're unlikely to have devices running all those versions). It'll drive you insane, I promise.

Re: Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus

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Post by tullidil »

noilly wrote: post #35
flyosity wrote: post #16

From the review at This Is My Next: "The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there." You have got to be kidding me. How is it that Android still doesn't map a user's finger movements with nearly 1:1 accuracy on the screen? Pinch, zoom and flick response times on the iPhone have been superior to Android for years, even with significantly less powerful hardware (comp…

afaik, it's android's lack of GPU acceleration for the UI

I didn't hear it during the stream, but ICS is purported to have this (just like Honeycomb already does, AFAIK).
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