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Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#82

I know exactly what you mean. As a counter point to the many "burnout answers" here which I completely agree with by the way. It could also be an example of "neuroplasticity" (hear me out). I'm 40 and been coding like it feels forever, I find it "relatively easy" to learn new frameworks or languages. What is much harder are new paradigms; example OOP vs functional. The last few months I've started to learn Clojure. M…

The learning process builds structures and systems in your brain to process information.

It's the difference between greenfield and brownfield development, only you can't demolish the old structures: you need to work around them.

That's the thing with the brain, there is no "delete" function. You have read and write capability, but no control over "forget".

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#83
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am almost 30 and attempting to learn Clojure was to me like swimming through mud. It is definitely not just you.

>swimming through mud You describe it perfectly !

Thanks!

That being said, I just played around with it for a few days. Some people praise it, after having gone through a few years on and off:

> I wasn’t convinced right away. It took a few years. But after the usual stumbling around and frustration, I began to realize that this language was the easiest, most elegant, least imposing language I had ever used – and not by a small margin.

https://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2019/08/22/WhyClojure....

I also explored the language landscape, and Clojure projects on GitHub seem to have a low density of commits matching "fix OR fixed OR bugfix":

https://danuker.go.ro/frequency-of-bugfix-commits.html

It's also on the brevity-popularity Pareto front of my bug-ridden analysis:

https://danuker.go.ro/programming-languages.html

So I plan to look at it some more.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#84
TL;DR - your expections are too high!!

You have picked up a hell of a lot of knowledge over a long period of time,

your expection or wish is to get to the same level of expertise in this new framework. So you're pushing yourself and become disillusioned with the speed of progress.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#85

Yes went through this. Early 30s my dad died, completely changed my view on what I was doing. He was self employed and successful. I started to hate working for someone else. I really started to dislike being a developer. Kept trying to find a way out. Was depressed that being a Dev eats my life, all free time I felt I should be learning technologies Anyway fast forward nearly a decade and I'm really happy in my job.…

You had a depressive episode, and you recovered.

It's not getting older, but the fact that time heals most brains just like exercise and antidepressants do. About 70% recover within 12 months [1]

[1] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12204924/

Edit:

OP said "Was depressed that [...]" and also mentions death of a loved one. Even if I'm wrong, personally I really wish someone mentioned MDD as a possibility to me earlier.

I felt similarly, and I thought all my focus and motivation problems were because I was lazy; but it was quite the opposite, I was fighting depression very hard.

I lost so many years of my life reading about death coping skills, optimizing diet and exercise, learning how to be less lazy (?) when it had absolutely nothing to do with any of those.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#86

Yes went through this. Early 30s my dad died, completely changed my view on what I was doing. He was self employed and successful. I started to hate working for someone else. I really started to dislike being a developer. Kept trying to find a way out. Was depressed that being a Dev eats my life, all free time I felt I should be learning technologies Anyway fast forward nearly a decade and I'm really happy in my job.…

You had a depressive episode, and you recovered. It's not getting older, but the fact that time heals most brains just like exercise and antidepressants do. About 70% recover within 12 months [1] [1] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12204924/ Edit: OP said "Was depressed that [...]" and also mentions death of a loved one. Even if I'm wrong, personally I really wish someone mentioned MDD as a possibility to me earlie…

> You had a depressive episode, and you recovered.

You’re quick in jumping to conclusions.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#88
I had a very similar problem 2 years ago. I was 38 at the time. For me it was burnout. I had been at a failing startup for 6 years. I took about a year off and removed a lot of stress from my life and took a part time React/NodeJS job, and got really good at react over the past year.

I have realized that a TON of the dev working being done on JS frameworks is by people that have no idea what is going on under the covers, they are just following examples and best practices and making applications work. I'm not saying that is wrong, but for people our age we are more used to understanding things at a lower level and that is becoming almost impossible with the current JS framework situation.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#89
I still ‘suffer’ from similar mid-career burnout that culminated 10 years ago. I’ve been successful since, but to I’ve had to move to roles where my work product was much more transactional, visible, and delivered in smaller chunks in order to remain productive.

I’ve spent a great deal of time analyzing this — and I still don’t have great answers — but here’s an internet-friendly numbered list of random strategies and perspectives I’ve had success with:

1/ be open with your boss. They may be able to offer strategies to help.

2/ set short-term goals and force accountability. For me, that was making promises to my manager and asking them to hold me accountable at regular intervals (micro-management as a service).

3/ if it works, it’s fine. I had a lot of my self worth bound up in my ability to deliver clever hacks. I’ve come to the realization that most of my useful output has been simple, obvious, and quite ugly.

4/ the only people who care about your code are you and the peers who have to engage with it. I want to write clever code, but (at work) I want to read really, really dumb code.

5/ I’ve moved from caring about tech to caring about business impact to caring about what that impact has on humans. This helps make decisions about code easy, since in my work humans never care about the framework or elegant code unless that framework or code causes them to have a bad time.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#90

If you don't have a therapist, it's worth looking for one. Honestly, everyone should have a good therapist, especially these days. I had a similar experience and for me it was burnout compounded by years of ignoring mental health problems. I took a break for most of the pandemic, got a good therapist and psychiatrist and I'm so much more functional than I was at any other point in my adult life. But I really needed t…

Easier said than done. The waiting list for therapy here in Hamburg is more than a year
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