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Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by user3939382 »

scarface74 wrote: post #139
ctf1er wrote: post #131

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People are saying that right now about the new Star Treks. And I don't think most disagree with the politics/social commentary, it's just so in your face/contrived that it ruins the show for many.

They considered the kiss in your face too at the time. As was Ellen’s episode when she came out. Even more recently there was an uproar about “wokeness” when they decided to cast a Black woman to play an orange alien from Tamaran on Titans. Strangely enough, there was not such an uproar about lily White shows like Friends and Seinfeild.

You’re comparing a reaction to something that was common but only recently televised to something that’s extremely uncommon and over-represented in their programming 20x compared with reality.

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Post by pokey00 »

dillondoyle wrote: post #146
spanktheuser wrote: post #129

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It's telling that the comments calling out people complaining about representation are all greyed out. Sorry. HN has been surprisingly me lately in the viewpoints people are willing to say out loud on a public forum. or at least minimally a few vocal commenters. IDK if it's just feeling empowered not to hide anymore or perhaps progress we've made is creating stronger 'protective' reactions. It's scary though.

Telling, huh? In what way? I'd love for you to expand on that.

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Post by selimthegrim »

colinmhayes wrote: post #132
lotsofpulp wrote: post #118

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I would put Narcos up there.

I would not. It's not even close either.

As long as you’re not comparing it to El Patrón del Mal, Narcos: Mexico wasn’t half bad.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by [deleted] »

dillondoyle wrote: post #145
solarhoma wrote: post #133

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It becomes a problem though when shows are catering to what 1% (or less) of the population looks like or is diagnosed with. This is what people are getting upset with. Representation is fine. But when every new show you turn on has half of the cast as a trans person, a non-binary person, and a whatever else it gets old. It gets old when historical shows and films have distorted facts or figures to, again, fill some q…

Gen-z identifies as 20% queer. Each new generation is more willing/able to live their truth. Wouldn't surprise me if we land somewhere around 25-30%. In large part thanks to representation in shows and movies. The us is rapidly diversifying too in terms of race, yet still even more under represented in media. Glaad says only ~10% queer characters on broadcast, and was a decline from previous study. Specifically compa…

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Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by user3939382 »

dillondoyle wrote: post #145
solarhoma wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It becomes a problem though when shows are catering to what 1% (or less) of the population looks like or is diagnosed with. This is what people are getting upset with. Representation is fine. But when every new show you turn on has half of the cast as a trans person, a non-binary person, and a whatever else it gets old. It gets old when historical shows and films have distorted facts or figures to, again, fill some q…

Gen-z identifies as 20% queer. Each new generation is more willing/able to live their truth. Wouldn't surprise me if we land somewhere around 25-30%. In large part thanks to representation in shows and movies. The us is rapidly diversifying too in terms of race, yet still even more under represented in media. Glaad says only ~10% queer characters on broadcast, and was a decline from previous study. Specifically compa…

Gen Z isn’t the world. US lgbt pop is 7% according to Wikipedia and that sounds high to me, maybe college kids experimenting with their identity in response to woke culture. I’d guess it’s more like 3-4%

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Post by Spivak »

solarhoma wrote: post #133
Spivak wrote: post #120

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> Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on :( I know this is a tangent but it’s always sad to see representation treated as inherently political. Like this is the first time in my life I’ve ever seen mainstream shows portray wlw relationships. Or shows portray the reality of how common and casual sexual assault is. Or characters that that struggle with depression as more than just an…

It becomes a problem though when shows are catering to what 1% (or less) of the population looks like or is diagnosed with. This is what people are getting upset with. Representation is fine. But when every new show you turn on has half of the cast as a trans person, a non-binary person, and a whatever else it gets old. It gets old when historical shows and films have distorted facts or figures to, again, fill some q…

So if representation is fine what do you want it to look like?

Because by your rules black people aren’t allowed to have fun fantasizing about being a pirate sailing the high seas in colonial England, a trans man can’t be in a WWII fiction fighting nazis, a woman can’t be in a medical drama about stopping the cholera outbreak.

So if they can’t be key roles (i.e. important at all to the plot) minorities should be relegated to background characters even in historical fiction?

Also what show has half the cast being trans or non-binary or whatever? I could use something interesting to watch.

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Post by justahuman74 »

scarface74 wrote: post #144
breadov wrote: post #128

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It's different these days though. Much more emphasis on whatever fresh sexual and gender identities happen to be in vogue right now, apparently for no purpose other than to preach about them to the viewer. Whereas in Star Trek, it made sense that a future spacefaring crew would be made up of people with origins from all different parts of the world. This was entirely consistent with the overall storyline.

So it’s not consistent that show set in America be multi-racial and have people with different sexual orientations? Back in the 90s, they showed Jadzia Dax as being interested in men and women on Star Trek DS9. Not to mention X-men has always been a allegory of prejudice against minorities.

I think it's more that Netflix just has poor execution on a lot of shows.

When telling a story on TV, you often want to cut the story to the bone such that it can be understood quickly and entertain without confusing the viewer with side tangents that aren't central to the story. If a non-story-essential element is too prominent then the viewer might feel it's boring

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Post by Spivak »

user3939382 wrote: post #155
dillondoyle wrote: post #145

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Gen-z identifies as 20% queer. Each new generation is more willing/able to live their truth. Wouldn't surprise me if we land somewhere around 25-30%. In large part thanks to representation in shows and movies. The us is rapidly diversifying too in terms of race, yet still even more under represented in media. Glaad says only ~10% queer characters on broadcast, and was a decline from previous study. Specifically compa…

Gen Z isn’t the world. US lgbt pop is 7% according to Wikipedia and that sounds high to me, maybe college kids experimenting with their identity in response to woke culture. I’d guess it’s more like 3-4%

Oh come on, are you really going to look up data about populations expecting it to be low, and then because it doesn’t conform to your world view make up some reason why it must be wrong?

And the point about Gen Z is that this is where we’re heading. Millennials are 10% lgbt and growing, Gen Z is around lgbt 20% and growing. My all time favorite concert was Girl in Red who sold out a 5000 person venue in less than 30 minutes packed with young queer women in a red state. This is way way bigger than casual experimenting in college.

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Post by scarface74 »

user3939382 wrote: post #151
scarface74 wrote: post #139

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They considered the kiss in your face too at the time. As was Ellen’s episode when she came out. Even more recently there was an uproar about “wokeness” when they decided to cast a Black woman to play an orange alien from Tamaran on Titans. Strangely enough, there was not such an uproar about lily White shows like Friends and Seinfeild.

You’re comparing a reaction to something that was common but only recently televised to something that’s extremely uncommon and over-represented in their programming 20x compared with reality.

Interracial relationships weren’t that realistic in the 60s and there were laws in the south against interracial marriage. It wasn’t until the 80s that laws against “sodomy” - ie homosexual relationships - were overturned. It was always those “liberal Hollywood types” pushing an agenda…

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Post by deanCommie »

breadov wrote: post #128
scarface74 wrote: post #121

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> Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on People said the same thing in the 60s when Star Trek had the nerve to have a representative crew aboard the Enterprise and when they showed an interracial kiss.

It's different these days though. Much more emphasis on whatever fresh sexual and gender identities happen to be in vogue right now, apparently for no purpose other than to preach about them to the viewer. Whereas in Star Trek, it made sense that a future spacefaring crew would be made up of people with origins from all different parts of the world. This was entirely consistent with the overall storyline.

> Much more emphasis on whatever fresh sexual and gender identities happen to be in vogue right now, apparently for no purpose other than to preach about them to the viewer.

People were been just as dismissive about interracial kiss in the 60s. About gay relationships in the 70s and 80s.

Evolve or become a dinosaur.

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