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Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by pokey00 »

spanktheuser wrote: post #129
boredumb wrote: post #72

A pile of mid tier content that i'd flick through before exiting out after an episode Automatic previews Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on Horrible comedians that were akin to ted talks/lectures or made for people who don't actually enjoy stand up comedy. Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting Signing and hiring ex politicians Searching is a chore and recomme…

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God the tone of your comment just set me off. What's the ugly sentiment and uglier mind? Just put it out there, whatever -ism you're about to accuse the parent poster of. Let's hear it without your cute little innuendo.

This is the exact kind of bullshit they're calling out. Netflix stuffs pop politics into every show they can and is relentless with it. They want to make sure their viewers are getting the "correct" politics, and not the "ugly sentiments".

Maybe, just maybe, some of us want to just watch some TV and not have whatever today's stupid social battle is shoved down our throats.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by saghm »

jandrese wrote: post #55
ghaff wrote: post #6

This chart [1] was making the rounds a while back. Whether you totally agree with its methodology or not, it certainly suggests that many people consider a huge swath of Netflix' content average at best. And for someone like me who doesn't watch a huge amount of video, that's not a great look. Tastes differ of course but my tastes aren't that out of the mainstream. And I'd rather a streaming service had a modest numb…

Eyeballing the chart it looks like the percentages for each section are roughly the same for each service, Netflix just has a lot more shows so they fill in the "just average" box more than the other services.

Yeah, I was confused by GP's phrasing as well. Maybe I'm taking the word "average" too literally and this is just one of those "5 stars good, 4 stars okay, 3 or fewer stars is garbage" things, but wouldn't the expectation be that the average show is...average? Unless you think that Netflix is has some reason to be more likely to make good shows than anyone else, it seems like their shows should be on average, average.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by WalterBright »

birdyrooster wrote: post #140
WalterBright wrote: post #137

Netflix is always recommending to me the same shows, day after day, week after week. I've passed over them many times. When will Netflix give up on them show me something further back in their catalog? This seems like a no-brainer to me. I get bored with scroll scroll scroll to look past them.

I think they are banking that you will stop scrolling and maintain your membership for exclusive releases.

Comcast does the same thing. They have a catalog of 4000 movies. If you're browsing, the only way is to start at the beginning and scroll 4 at a time. You'll give up long before you get to the bottom.

It would be lovely if they'd just offer a "random sort" as an option.

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Post by scarface74 »

breadov wrote: post #128
scarface74 wrote: post #121

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> Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on People said the same thing in the 60s when Star Trek had the nerve to have a representative crew aboard the Enterprise and when they showed an interracial kiss.

It's different these days though. Much more emphasis on whatever fresh sexual and gender identities happen to be in vogue right now, apparently for no purpose other than to preach about them to the viewer. Whereas in Star Trek, it made sense that a future spacefaring crew would be made up of people with origins from all different parts of the world. This was entirely consistent with the overall storyline.

So it’s not consistent that show set in America be multi-racial and have people with different sexual orientations?

Back in the 90s, they showed Jadzia Dax as being interested in men and women on Star Trek DS9.

Not to mention X-men has always been a allegory of prejudice against minorities.

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Post by dillondoyle »

solarhoma wrote: post #133
Spivak wrote: post #120

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> Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on :( I know this is a tangent but it’s always sad to see representation treated as inherently political. Like this is the first time in my life I’ve ever seen mainstream shows portray wlw relationships. Or shows portray the reality of how common and casual sexual assault is. Or characters that that struggle with depression as more than just an…

It becomes a problem though when shows are catering to what 1% (or less) of the population looks like or is diagnosed with. This is what people are getting upset with. Representation is fine. But when every new show you turn on has half of the cast as a trans person, a non-binary person, and a whatever else it gets old. It gets old when historical shows and films have distorted facts or figures to, again, fill some q…

Gen-z identifies as 20% queer. Each new generation is more willing/able to live their truth. Wouldn't surprise me if we land somewhere around 25-30%.

In large part thanks to representation in shows and movies.

The us is rapidly diversifying too in terms of race, yet still even more under represented in media.

Glaad says only ~10% queer characters on broadcast, and was a decline from previous study.

Specifically comparing streaming netflix had 155 queer characters and HBO max 71. You do the math on the massive amount of original content on netflix compared to hbomax.

The world doesn't look like HN's demo.

[1] https://www.glaad.org/sites/default/files/GLAAD%20202122%20W...

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/arts/television/tv-lgbtq-...

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by dillondoyle »

spanktheuser wrote: post #129
boredumb wrote: post #72

A pile of mid tier content that i'd flick through before exiting out after an episode Automatic previews Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on Horrible comedians that were akin to ted talks/lectures or made for people who don't actually enjoy stand up comedy. Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting Signing and hiring ex politicians Searching is a chore and recomme…

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It's telling that the comments calling out people complaining about representation are all greyed out. Sorry.

HN has been surprisingly me lately in the viewpoints people are willing to say out loud on a public forum. or at least minimally a few vocal commenters.

IDK if it's just feeling empowered not to hide anymore or perhaps progress we've made is creating stronger 'protective' reactions. It's scary though.

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Post by rendall »

spanktheuser wrote: post #129
boredumb wrote: post #72

A pile of mid tier content that i'd flick through before exiting out after an episode Automatic previews Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on Horrible comedians that were akin to ted talks/lectures or made for people who don't actually enjoy stand up comedy. Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting Signing and hiring ex politicians Searching is a chore and recomme…

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There are some good ways to have a political message in your content, and there are terrible ways, especially if it feels "shoe-horned". I'm not GP and am not precisely sure what was meant by pop, but I took it to mean "un-nuanced, insincerely-held".

There are people such as yourself who seem eager to label "ugly minded" any questions about the quality of content that promotes A Message even if the Message is simplistic. If a mob like that arises, now we have a ratcheting-up of bad content and simplistic politics.

I hope that's not the case here.

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Post by topspin »

colinmhayes wrote: post #127
boredumb wrote: post #72

A pile of mid tier content that i'd flick through before exiting out after an episode Automatic previews Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on Horrible comedians that were akin to ted talks/lectures or made for people who don't actually enjoy stand up comedy. Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting Signing and hiring ex politicians Searching is a chore and recomme…

> Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting I can not stand how every "documentary" on netflix is actually an extremely opinionated political piece or true crime. And I usually agree with the political opinion, it's just incredibly annoying and divisive, and really it mostly feels dishonest.

Just suffered through their Three Mile Island "documentary" yesterday while working on something else. Apparently Bechtel operates a hit squad in Pennsylvania and everyone in a 5 mile radius got severe cancer. Out of four hours you get about 10 minutes of meaningful detail about the incident; the rest is headline rehash you can get on the first page of a Google search, emotional personal stories and a lot of self promotion.

All the true crime stuff is retired officers cashing in. So much for books.

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Post by rendall »

dillondoyle wrote: post #146
spanktheuser wrote: post #129

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It's telling that the comments calling out people complaining about representation are all greyed out. Sorry. HN has been surprisingly me lately in the viewpoints people are willing to say out loud on a public forum. or at least minimally a few vocal commenters. IDK if it's just feeling empowered not to hide anymore or perhaps progress we've made is creating stronger 'protective' reactions. It's scary though.

Yeah literally no one complained about representation.

What we have instead are people astoundingly willing to see ugliness everywhere, even in the most innocuous comment or gesture.

Admit it, you care less about "representation" than you like to indulge in sadistic performative outrage. We see you.

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Post by ghaff »

somat wrote: post #126
omegalulw wrote: post #45

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I don't know about other people, but finding something to watch on Netflix is frustrating, there's so much poor quality shows. The recommendations are not good (tbf that's most streaming services) and there's no option for granular filtering. For example, I hate dubs, I would like to pick shows where the original audio is some particular language, I don't get why that isn't there? In contrast, on HBO Max / Disney+, u…

Netflix was doing fine as a dvd rental platform, hell netflix was doing great, they then made a jump to a streaming platform and did well there. The movie production studios saw how well netflix was doing and so started making their own streaming platforms preventing netflix from streaming their movies. so netflix in a desperation move said "fine" then we will make our own movies. And so here we are, despite living i…

Well, mostly the answer for films is that you buy a la carte. (Or pirate I guess.)
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