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Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by ss108 »

bin_bash wrote: post #12
brimble wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should happen, if we're doing "shoulds", is that it shouldn't be permitted for one company to own both distribution and production, nor for such companies to create long-term exclusivity agreements with one another.

it seems to me this market has loads of competition without silly regulation like this getting in the way

Interestingly, competition is worse for consumers in some respects here. It's resulting in fragmentation of the market such that people are too many services for 1-2 shows each

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by cgriswald »

whoisjuan wrote: post #10
ghaff wrote: post #6

This chart [1] was making the rounds a while back. Whether you totally agree with its methodology or not, it certainly suggests that many people consider a huge swath of Netflix' content average at best. And for someone like me who doesn't watch a huge amount of video, that's not a great look. Tastes differ of course but my tastes aren't that out of the mainstream. And I'd rather a streaming service had a modest numb…

That graph isn’t showing that. Sure, Netflix produces way more content than competitors but they also have more shows in the far right (outstanding and exceptional) than their competitors.

There is a disconnect between what I want and what providers are trying to offer me. I want quality content with powerful search. Providers seem to think I want a huge unsearchable library from which they will make recommendations. Netflix has lots and lots of great original content, but given a random show, it's far more likely to be average or less (versus, say, HBOmax).

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by Spooky23 »

whoisjuan wrote: post #10
ghaff wrote: post #6

This chart [1] was making the rounds a while back. Whether you totally agree with its methodology or not, it certainly suggests that many people consider a huge swath of Netflix' content average at best. And for someone like me who doesn't watch a huge amount of video, that's not a great look. Tastes differ of course but my tastes aren't that out of the mainstream. And I'd rather a streaming service had a modest numb…

That graph isn’t showing that. Sure, Netflix produces way more content than competitors but they also have more shows in the far right (outstanding and exceptional) than their competitors.

How would you know?

Between deliberately bad search and a bias towards pushing you to waste time rather than entertain, they bury their own content and deliver swill.

Netflix got away with it because they were the only game in town. Disney really broke the seal and delivered a good platform. Apple is delivering strong content that compensates for the horrific application.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by ghaff »

brimble wrote: post #17
whoisjuan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That graph isn’t showing that. Sure, Netflix produces way more content than competitors but they also have more shows in the far right (outstanding and exceptional) than their competitors.

The ratio of OK-or-worse to good-or-exceptional sure appears to be a less favorable for Netflix than the others. Though people's rankings seem crazy to me. Apparently just producing a Star Wars thing and not totally shitting the bed in the process counts as "exceptional". Then again... yeah, that's kinda true, I guess. From a certain point of view. Still, better than nearly all shows on all those services? Yikes. I d…

Hence my comment about the methodology. And HBO Max doesn't have anything that's exceptional?

For that reason, it doesn't really make sense to focus on the specifics of a handful of outliers as unreliably ranked by RT (I think). The real message is that large as Netflix' catalog is, it doesn't necessarily have a lot more highly ranked content than other sites have. (Which roughly squares with my anecdotal impressions.)

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by fullshark »

izacus wrote: post #7
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #2

Apple should buy Netflix and combined they should focus on only few, extremely high quality shows.

Why would you want even more consolidation? The other content owners (Disney, WB, etc.) have already pulled all their content from 3rd parties (including Netflix) to destroy competition. Why is there so many people on HN that want less market competition and cheer when corporations consolidate?

It’s inevitable, consumers aren’t gonna support all these (subscription) streaming services. Gonna be Disney and one or two other streaming services in 10 years.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by zbuf »

brimble wrote: post #5
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #2

Apple should buy Netflix and combined they should focus on only few, extremely high quality shows.

What should happen, if we're doing "shoulds", is that it shouldn't be permitted for one company to own both distribution and production, nor for such companies to create long-term exclusivity agreements with one another.

No need to mandate it, Netflix should have realised the end game of competing with their own suppliers.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by brimble »

ss108 wrote: post #21
bin_bash wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it seems to me this market has loads of competition without silly regulation like this getting in the way

Interestingly, competition is worse for consumers in some respects here. It's resulting in fragmentation of the market such that people are too many services for 1-2 shows each

Exactly that. I want to see more competition on price, features, and quality, and less on content availability.

It'd also make it easier to enter both parts of that market, as a production company or a distributor, which is currently something that only a company with an enormous pile of cash and/or ownership of an existing large catalog of material, can realistically do.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

ss108 wrote: post #21
bin_bash wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it seems to me this market has loads of competition without silly regulation like this getting in the way

Interestingly, competition is worse for consumers in some respects here. It's resulting in fragmentation of the market such that people are too many services for 1-2 shows each

There’s vastly more high-quality television being produced than any other time in history. From my perspective, subscribing to one of the major services gives me a better experience than cable TV ever did, at a much lower cost. If I run out of stuff to watch I can always switch to another.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by dfxm12 »

whoisjuan wrote: post #10
ghaff wrote: post #6

This chart [1] was making the rounds a while back. Whether you totally agree with its methodology or not, it certainly suggests that many people consider a huge swath of Netflix' content average at best. And for someone like me who doesn't watch a huge amount of video, that's not a great look. Tastes differ of course but my tastes aren't that out of the mainstream. And I'd rather a streaming service had a modest numb…

That graph isn’t showing that. Sure, Netflix produces way more content than competitors but they also have more shows in the far right (outstanding and exceptional) than their competitors.

Right. I don't care about the shows/movies I don't want to watch on a streaming service. I only care if there are enough shows/movies on there I do want to see.

Re: Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash

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Post by mikkergp »

brimble wrote: post #17
whoisjuan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That graph isn’t showing that. Sure, Netflix produces way more content than competitors but they also have more shows in the far right (outstanding and exceptional) than their competitors.

The ratio of OK-or-worse to good-or-exceptional sure appears to be a less favorable for Netflix than the others. Though people's rankings seem crazy to me. Apparently just producing a Star Wars thing and not totally shitting the bed in the process counts as "exceptional". Then again... yeah, that's kinda true, I guess. From a certain point of view. Still, better than nearly all shows on all those services? Yikes. I d…

While Ratio is usually the right way to evaluate things. Is that applicable in this case? Doesn't what matters is the number of good shows not the percentage? If I watch Netflix I can find three Exceptional shows and a bunch of Outstanding shows, including three at the high end of outstanding. If I watch Apple TV + There are no exceptional shows and only one at the high end of outstanding, but the ratio seems better.

I guess it would depend on discoverability.

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