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The original “Bambi”

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Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by smaddox »

TaupeRanger wrote: post #122
tragictrash wrote: post #98

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Don't be afraid, they're wrong.

List a single shred of scientific evidence showing that kids who are exposed to stories with similar themes to traumatic events they experience in real life are more likely the have better outcomes. Be afraid to call someone wrong without more than just-so stories and anecdotes.

I don't know if there are any controlled studies, but there's plenty of informal evidence that naive people cope poorly with traumatic events. Resilience is a product (though admittedly not a guaranteed product) of experience.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by s1artibartfast »

senko wrote: post #6

Yes, Bambi is an utterly depressing story. Most original material Disney adapted was bleakier and more grisly than the adaptation. Most of the tales collected by brothers Grimm would today be horror stories. (Did you know that Cinderella's evil stepsisters had their toes and heels cut off so they could fit in the slippers? Or that the ravens pecked their eyes as punishment? Or that Maleficent ends up in a boiling cau…

Many children's stories of old had an entirely different moral sentiment than today.

They exposed children to the idea that the chaotic world is outside your ability to control, but you must live in it and navigate it to the extent you can nonetheless. This will not always end well for you, despite your best efforts.

In contrast, the message of modern fairy tales is that life has challenges, but they can all be overcome. If you are noble, persistent and hard working, you can achieve anything. Characters nearly always end up royalty or some variation of happily ever after.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by copperx »

thomaspark wrote: post #110

I made a browser extension called No Scary Parts that skips traumatic scenes on Disney+ while trying to hold together a cohesive plot. Mainly for young kids who enjoy the music and other scenes, but aren't ready for the full story yet. https://thomaspark.co/projects/no-scary-parts/ Fantasia was easy. Managed to do The Lion King. Haven't been able to pull off Bambi yet...

> Fantasia was easy

You no need an extension for that one. As a kid, I tried to watch it multiple times and I always fell asleep. And I was a very patient kid.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by s1artibartfast »

boredumb wrote: post #118

This is the most insufferable thing I've ever read in my entire life. This reads like chocolate cake with chocolate icing drizzled in chocolate syrup for smug individuals to read from the backseat of a private car service. The amount of faux insights and pop politic buzzwords while ending this with questions of whether bambi is a parable for jewish existence is astonishing and I found myself wondering if this was a p…

welcome to the newyorker.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by selimthegrim »

spacechild1 wrote: post #46
jihadjihad wrote: post #31

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Don't forget about Pinocchio, who in the original Italian children's book is tortured and hanged for being such a "bad boy" [0][1]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocchio#Fictional_character_... 1: https://slate.com/culture/2011/10/carlo-collodi-s-pinocchio-... The part of the movie where all of the boys on Pleasure Island begin to turn into donkeys always freaked me out as a kid.

Judging from the plot summary ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Pinocchio#Pl... ), the original Pinocchio book is pretty messed up as a whole!

Wait until you see the Roberto Benigni film co-starring his wife.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by selimthegrim »

stickfigure wrote: post #92
jeroenhd wrote: post #54

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The most popular fairy tales also have been modified to be more kid friendly. Nobody saved Little Red Riding Hood. Sleeping Beauty wasn't kissed, she was raped in her sleep and gave birth; it was her child sucking the needle out of her finger that woke her up. These used to be more than just stories for kids, but modern fairy tales are rarely ever told to an adult audience anymore. For many fairy tales, the happy end…

Try looking on youtube for a version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" that ends with the boy being properly eaten. They've all been changed to have narrow-escape happy endings, wholly destroying the point of the narrative.

One could argue that Abraham and his son was the original narrow escape happy ending

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by hemloc_io »

photochemsyn wrote: post #64

For some reason I got my hands on George Orwell's "Animal Farm" at a very young age, as it looked like a kid's book. That's a fairly bleak book, for example when the pigs sell the draft horse to the glue factory, but only the goat (whose only friend is the horse) knows what's going on. Watership Down is another good one, the character of the Black Rabbit of Inle (the Grim Reaper of rabbitkind) was memorable. However…

Yep read animal farm in middle school and it was dope. (Along with Brave New World + Naked lunch which IMO is a bit racier)

One of my favorite things about the internet when I was younger was that it let me find books I couldn't get without begging my parents haha.

Adults really underestimate how resilient kids are, and how much media isn't able to approximate the real world (yet). Modern ppl really don't realize how dark lots of older child stories are, like the brother's grimm etc, and that kids used to be taken to executions.

EDIT: over -> under.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by selimthegrim »

kumarsw wrote: post #32
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #27

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One thing I've really noticed is that a lot of people - children and adults both - have no qualms about depictions of violence and murder of people in media, but they get really squeamish when it's (cute) animals. I wonder what causes that, is it just a kind of desensitization? Or a built-in kind of justice that bad people dying is fine but innocent animals isn't?

This is a pretty well-observed phenomenon that the relative sadness of humans and cute animals dying in movies and real life is (presumably) reversed. Someone had even coined a term for it - “dog-dying-in-movie sad.” I’m at a loss to explain why, but it feels like Peak Internet Discussion so hopefully someone here will feel like expanding on it.

See also - John Wick

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by goto11 »

senko wrote: post #6

Yes, Bambi is an utterly depressing story. Most original material Disney adapted was bleakier and more grisly than the adaptation. Most of the tales collected by brothers Grimm would today be horror stories. (Did you know that Cinderella's evil stepsisters had their toes and heels cut off so they could fit in the slippers? Or that the ravens pecked their eyes as punishment? Or that Maleficent ends up in a boiling cau…

> Did you know that Cinderella's evil stepsisters had their toes and heels cut off

The Disney version of Cinderella is based on Charles Perraults version, which is significantly different. An Perrault is older than Grimm, although both are based on older traditions.

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