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Not my area of expertise, but maybe some (unrealistic) options include using fiber optics for the data lines, or adding more data lines.
I guess at some point optical will be the only way forward. Having more data lines in a serial bus is interesting, as the whole reasoning to go from parallel lines (e.g. Centronics, ATA/SCSI or ISA/PCI buses) to serial (SATA/SAS, PCIe, USB) was that coordinating multiple data lines got impossible due to physical limitations where e.g. minimal differences in cable lengths started to matter).
USB Cheat Sheet
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Re: USB Cheat Sheet
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It’s why I always buy TB3 (or now TB4) cables rather than a cheaper USB-C to USB-C. Due to the strict requirements on TB cables, you can pretty much guarantee it’ll support any use case (alt modes, PD, etc). Sometimes overspending is worth the headache prevention.
Apple just released a €159 cable
The only other one I'm aware of is the Corning Active Optical Cable series which costs $360 for a 10m Thunderbolt 3 cable or $479 for a 30m cable, or $215 for a 10m Thunderbolt 2 cable (ie slower and different connector, potentially needs a $50 converter on each end). Also those Corning cables have a reputation for failing barely out of warranty even if they are treated very delicately. Amazon reviews are full of "my cable failed 1 year and 1 month after purchase and Corning told me to go eat a dick" type reviews.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1577008-REG/optical_c...
Also, just FYI, but max length spec on a USB 4 cable (which will support Thunderbolt-like features) is 0.8m and you'll need to use special cables to get the full capabilities there too, you can't just use a $15 usb-c to usb-c cable you bought off amazon. Just like some usb-c cables only support usb 2.0 speeds, you won't get full-duplex 40gbps signaling out of a 10gbps half-duplex USB 3.1 cable. USB certification isn't magic, these are physics-based electrical/RF problems here and high-capability cables/devices require more expensive implementations.
But anyway go ahead and click through that B+H link and look through their thunderbolt 3 cable category for another 3-meter cable. You won't find any. If 2 meters is not enough... your options are Apple, Corning, or nothing.
The Apple premium is still a thing, but I'd expect competitors to clock in around $100 if/when they come out. There is always a steep price inflection once you move from passive cables to active cables or fiber. If you can avoid that, great, use a shorter cable. If you can't, you have to pay up. Not everyone can just move everything closer (eg running through walls) and it's always so disappointing to see people arguing against consumers having options just because they don't personally need them. No one is making you buy this, but the people who do now have an option they didn't before. That "if I'm not interested in a product then it shouldn't exist at all!" mindset seems to be extremely pervasive in the tech space and I just don't get it, not every product has to be aimed at you personally. It's "center of the universe syndrome" as one of my teachers liked to call it.
I've looked at the Corning cables for setting up a Vive Wireless Adapter that can be in a different room from my desktop rig (adapter goes in a Thunderbolt enclosure, mounted on the wall, thunderbolt optical cable goes through the walls...) but the price and the failures kinda scared me off. I get that this won't work for normies, but personally I'd prefer to have the transceivers and the fiber be separate so I can replace one or the other if needed. Shipping it pre-assembled is fine but given we're talking about a $500 investment here I'd want it to not break in a year or at least to be semi-repairable if it does.
Re: USB Cheat Sheet
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Also should be: 12 Mbps -> 1.43 MiB/s -> 1.5 MB/s 480 Mbps -> 57 MiB/s -> 60 MB/s 5000 Mbps (5 Gbps) -> 596 MiB/s -> 625 MB/s 10000 Mbps (10 Gbps) -> 1192 MiB/s -> 1250 MB/s 20000 Mbps (20 Gbps) -> 2384 MiB/s -> 2500 MB/s 40000 Mbps (40 Gbps) -> 4768 MiB/s -> 5000 MB/s
No, some of your rates are wrong. The so-called 5 Gb/s USB has a data rate of 4 Gb/s. The marketing data rates for Ethernet are true, i.e. 1 Gb/s Ethernet has a 1 Gb/s data rate, but a 1.25 Gb/s encoded bit rate over the cable. The marketing data rates for the first 2 generations of PCIe, for all 3 generations of SATA, and for USB 3.0 a.k.a. "Gen 1" of later standards, are false, being advertised as larger with 25% (…
Can you confirm with the rule to be used.
Raw Speed = Nominal / Encoding
UMS Speed = Raw / UMS overhead
In the case of 3.0 that would be:
Nominal = 625 MiB/s
Raw = 625 - 20% = 500 MiB/s
UMS = 500 - 20% = 400 MiB/s
Re: USB Cheat Sheet
#114No USB On-The-Go ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go ) or Wireless USB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB )? USB is a triumph of marketeers over engineers. All these things are called USB because USB sells (see also: Bluetooth).
I don't know anything about wireless USB but USB OTG is called USB because it is USB. It's not some totally unrelated protocol.
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Is that the same intel that “forgot” to mention that they overclocked a demo cpu and used ndustrial water chiller?
I was curious and went looking for it. That's pretty hilarious oversight! https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-cpu-5ghz,372...
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Can be USB 3 [...] USB 2, so it is a bit hard to tell. ...or Thunderbolt, USB 4, DisplayPort (through Alt-mode or encapsulated in Thunderbolt), or HDMI (Alt-mode), or MHL (Alt-mode), USB Power Delivery... Unfortunately, not every cable with USB-C connectors can carry all of these. E.g. there are USB-C cables that can only carry USB 2. Or cables that can carry USB 3, but not Thunderbolt. Also, not all cables can carry…
There was a period of time where a google engineer was producting review on amazon about which usb-c cable would make your laptop burn. That was fun, and totally not the sign of an overbloated standard.
(The effect of that miswiring is to apply a negative voltage, around -5V, to a chip most probably designed for a range of -0.5V to 20.5V; which results in a short circuit through at least the ESD protection diodes within the chip, and possibly other parts of the chip too.)
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The cheap ones are using hardware JPEG encoders. The associated micro isn't powerful enough to do it in firmware alone.
Surprised they don't use a hardware video encoder, is it because the well and efficiently supported formats are all MPEG, and thus have fairly high licensing cost on top of the hardware? Or because even efficient HVEs use more resources than webcams can afford? Or because inter-frame coding requires more storage, which (again) means higher costs, which (again) eats into the margin, which cheap webcam manufacturers co…
I haven't figured out why they chose to remove it, but your point about licensing cost combined with them not advertising it much as a feature, and most of their competitors not including "proper" video encoding might explain it.
Edit: Found an official explanation here: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/video-collaboration/resources... TLDR, they figure most computers at that point had HW encoders.
Re: USB Cheat Sheet
#118Like the simple site design with a one page info about USB. someone please make similar one-page with tables about PCI Express, Ethernet, HDMI...
I created a cheat sheet for Ethernet, when I built my home network: https://github.com/ProZsolt/runbook/blob/master/ethernet-cab...
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I don't know anything about wireless USB but USB OTG is called USB because it is USB. It's not some totally unrelated protocol.
I thought OTG was just changing up where the host controller is sitting in the USB relationship? So you can have a device that acts like a client when hooked to a computer, or a master when hooked to a thumb drive/webcam/etc...?
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#120Hello Fabien ! I saw on twitter that you had built a gaming setup, can you write an article on your blog as you did for your silent pc ?