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Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by gigaflop »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #107
booboofixer wrote: post #49

There was a comment on HN about a year ago by somebody that grew up in India, and being Pakistani i relate to it a lot as well. Specifically, it mentioned that these 'games' and people choosing one or two games out of a great number of games available out there seems like a uniquely North American thing (as far as we can tell from our own limited exposure to other societies). So while you folks had the jock, the nerd…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures Talks about this as a cultural thing. I think people in the west are still surprised that nerds might weightlift or jocks might be really smart.

I've heard some people say that the stereotypical jock types, like a football team captain, are often pretty bright individuals.

Meanwhile, I am a moderately-intelligent software developer who pulled 280lbs on a deadlift the other day, and celebrated by playing videogames.

"Gifted" does not strictly need to refer to intelligence. Once can be gifted in health, looks, brains, or any number of actual talents or traits. Forrest Gump was dumb, but I'd hardly say he was incapable.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by golergka »

waqf wrote: post #123
golergka wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you experienced a moment when most of your nation supports an unjust invasion, and many openly and proudly dream of genocide?

I think it's very useful in such a case to investigate, as scientifically and dispassionately as possible, exactly how such a moment came to be. And I think that would involve "getting into the heads" of the supporters of the cause. Do you not think so?

That's true, but that shouldn't stop you from being able to pass judgement.

Just in case you're wondering, that is NOT a hypothetical example for me.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by qwertygnu »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #107
booboofixer wrote: post #49

There was a comment on HN about a year ago by somebody that grew up in India, and being Pakistani i relate to it a lot as well. Specifically, it mentioned that these 'games' and people choosing one or two games out of a great number of games available out there seems like a uniquely North American thing (as far as we can tell from our own limited exposure to other societies). So while you folks had the jock, the nerd…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures Talks about this as a cultural thing. I think people in the west are still surprised that nerds might weightlift or jocks might be really smart.

My personal experience is the opposite and most young people I interact with don't really box people in like they do in old movies. In high school at least half of the most advanced math/science classes were 'jocks'.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by everdrive »

miguelmurca wrote: post #93
everdrive wrote: post #92

I've often observed that people mistake "intelligence" for - "knowing the things that I know" - "coming to the same conclusions as me" You can see the "knowing the things that I know" most often in professional settings. "If this guy were smart, he'd know how to do XYZ." Knowledge and intelligence are not the same, but I encounter this bias on a very regular basis. You can see the "coming to the same conclusions as m…

The converse fallacy is also, I believe, true. "This person knows how to do XYZ, therefore they're smart" (in a more general sense; good at "other games", as it were), is something that took me time to understand to be false. And I think your last paragraph reflects this fallacy: > Real intelligence is the capacity for complexity, pattern recognition, and speed of cognition; none of these guarantee either of the two…

>Of course, I may be hair-splitting at what you mean by "smart" (and I'm sorry for that), but I think this is the angle the article is also taking.

That is not what I meant to convey, but there's also no need to be sorry. This is a pretty nuanced topic, and I only offered a few sentences. I would agree with you: it is very easy for people to misjudge the intelligence of others, especially when that intelligence falls in other "realms." (eg: mathematics vs. managerial skill, etc.)

To that extent, I am simply agreeing with the article, and adding my own observations.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by switchbak »

corndoge wrote: post #81
draw_down wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, as well as learning to accept that there are some games you'll just never be good at. Personally, I've never been good at playing the political game at work so I don't attempt to. There are times when I can tell it's being played, but maybe not even who exactly is playing, let alone what their strategy is or what a strategy might look like. It seems difficult and not fun at all though, so I'm ok with this ina…

not that the sentiment isn't legitimate but i wonder if your ostensible acceptance of inability is deep down a feeling of superiority for refusing to engage wrapped in mild self deprecation and faux gracious acceptance of a personal shortcoming, the acknowledgement of which is itself mildly performative - a wrapper perhaps palatable to this audience due to familiarity but distasteful to most others

That's a whole lot of assumption for just reading a couple paragraphs someone wrote. I find that level of ungrounded speculation is almost always rooted in projection. That's interesting too, but moreso because what it reveals about you.

And hey, some of it could even be accurate, but there's really no way you could know that from this little information.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

chucksmash wrote: post #40

Good thought. My immediate response is "yeah, I really didn't get the games other people were playing in junior high," which is the time frame the article evokes for me. I feel like the gotcha is you have to realize - at least sometimes - that there are still games you don't get. It's easy to feel like, "at ${year - 1} I was such an idiot, glad that's over now." You'd be surprised how many years in a row you can feel…

> It's easy to feel like, "at ${year - 1} I was such an idiot, glad that's over now."

Reminds me of an old "Red vs Blue" video about tattoos. [0]

One of the arguments presented against getting tattoos was:

"You are an idiot, and I'd like to prove this mathematically. Take your current age and subtract 10 years. Were you smart back then? Hell no, you were an idiot. And you're still just as much of an idiot now, it's just going to take you 10 more years to realize it."

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2pSt2gACrc

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #10

I’m playing StarCraft 1 over again. So great.

To steal someone else's comment...

The game I'm playing is "read articles that HN users found interesting, and then see what other HN users had to say about that topic".

I guess I can conclude that imwillofficial is playing is some other game. They're probably very good at it, or at least having fun.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by goodpoint »

koonsolo wrote: post #54
flappyeagle wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's right about this - nerds get a lot of money these days, but no respect.

Some of the world most famous people are nerds. The richest people in the world are nerds. Elon is 100% a nerd, and he can basically get any Hollywood star he wants. I'm a nerd, and I consider myself pretty successful in life. I totally agree with the other poster that your view on the world is very different.

> Elon is 100% a nerd

According to what metrics?

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by corndoge »

switchbak wrote: post #165
corndoge wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not that the sentiment isn't legitimate but i wonder if your ostensible acceptance of inability is deep down a feeling of superiority for refusing to engage wrapped in mild self deprecation and faux gracious acceptance of a personal shortcoming, the acknowledgement of which is itself mildly performative - a wrapper perhaps palatable to this audience due to familiarity but distasteful to most others

That's a whole lot of assumption for just reading a couple paragraphs someone wrote. I find that level of ungrounded speculation is almost always rooted in projection. That's interesting too, but moreso because what it reveals about you. And hey, some of it could even be accurate, but there's really no way you could know that from this little information.

I completely agree with you
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