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Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by vondur » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 7:26 PM UTC

Tloewald wrote: post #17

brackin wrote: post #9

Yet did HP not announce there would be no more Web OS devices, HP needs to open source this. The more choice the better! I can see Samsung or HTC producing some slick devices running Web OS. Hardware was always a key issue for me, the Pre was slow and boring.

I forget, didn't people demo Android running much quicker on touchpad hardware? If so, it's the decision to depend too much on the JavaScript stack and not the hardware that's the ultimate problem.

You are correct, Android does run fast on the Touchpad.

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by untog » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 8:02 PM UTC

tadfisher wrote: post #18

maaku wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mark multiple emails = O(n), mark all = O(1)

"Mark read" is a broken interaction anyway. You only ever use it when you haven't read the message. So why do people do it? I do it to clear out messages that aren't worth reading, to get that number of unread emails in my Inbox folder down to 0. Why do I care about unread messages? What I'm really worried about are unseen messages, and the set of unread messages contains these. "Read/unread" and "Seen/unseen" are re…

I don't know, I feel like you're over-thinking it. "Mark as Read" is exactly that- "mark this as if I have read it, even though I have not". I don't see how it's broken.

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by mmatants » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 8:33 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #22

tadfisher wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mark read" is a broken interaction anyway. You only ever use it when you haven't read the message. So why do people do it? I do it to clear out messages that aren't worth reading, to get that number of unread emails in my Inbox folder down to 0. Why do I care about unread messages? What I'm really worried about are unseen messages, and the set of unread messages contains these. "Read/unread" and "Seen/unseen" are re…

I don't know, I feel like you're over-thinking it. "Mark as Read" is exactly that- "mark this as if I have read it, even though I have not". I don't see how it's broken.

Just to add to the over-thinking: I find myself marking things as read when I've gleaned their meaning from the subject, without instructing the app to display the entire message body.

"Mark as Read" should be "Mark as Understood".

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by Pent » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 9:17 PM UTC

I own a touchpad and without a developed app base it feels so rigid to me. I don't want to share links by email I want to share them through my various online accounts. I don't want to multitask by navigating to cards I want to have in-app multitasking through swipes. Even reading a PDF on it is painful because the font rendering is so poor. I don't think HP really "got it". It was barely worth the 99 I paid for it. I installed the new update today. And while this update increased the responsiveness it didn't address the fundamental workflow problems... But since they are abandoning it anyway I probably shouldn't expect anything anyway.

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by morrow » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 10:02 PM UTC

thinkcomp wrote: post #20

This is still my #1 problem with the TouchPad: http://forums.hpwebos.com/t5/HP-TouchPad-Software-Hardware/A... Otherwise it's great.

I didn't realize that it converted all ampersands in the URL -- what a ridiculous oversight. What bugs me is that the browser doesn't support @font-face fonts. I don't understand the design process that led to implementing node.js as a service on a mobile device before adding in fundamental CSS support...

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by tadfisher » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 10:04 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #22

tadfisher wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mark read" is a broken interaction anyway. You only ever use it when you haven't read the message. So why do people do it? I do it to clear out messages that aren't worth reading, to get that number of unread emails in my Inbox folder down to 0. Why do I care about unread messages? What I'm really worried about are unseen messages, and the set of unread messages contains these. "Read/unread" and "Seen/unseen" are re…

I don't know, I feel like you're over-thinking it. "Mark as Read" is exactly that- "mark this as if I have read it, even though I have not". I don't see how it's broken.

The problem is that I can no longer distinguish between mail that I have read and mail that I simply don't care about. The solution I presented requires no explicit interaction and gives me this granularity. Sure, I can manually apply a label in Gmail, but that's explicit once more (and requires far too many clicks for such a simple operation).

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by unwiredben » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 10:17 PM UTC

thinkcomp wrote: post #20

This is still my #1 problem with the TouchPad: http://forums.hpwebos.com/t5/HP-TouchPad-Software-Hardware/A... Otherwise it's great.

Can you provide more detail? Is this when entering URLs directly? Have you tried going through j.mp or bitly.com and shortening the URL, then bookmarking that version?

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by parasitius » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 10:39 PM UTC

TouchPad didn't work out for me, even at $150... Listing on eBay soon. I only wanted to do one single task: read pdf programming books and make notes. PDFs are blurry as hell and you have to manually navigate 100's of pages, there is no way to efficiently skip... And taking notes? iPad can't even handle that. You have to memorize what you want to write on notepad, go to notepad, type as much as you can remember, so on and so forth alt-tabbing back and forth 100 times... Really lame. (No copy and paste either of course)

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by warthogkernel » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 10:45 PM UTC

deyan wrote: post #4

Thanks for the link! Does anyone know if this breaks the 3.0.2 recommended patches (e.g. muffling logging, etc.)

muffle is broken until I have time to make a new patch. Probably not till this weekend.

Re: WebOS 3.0.4 released

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Post by overcyn » Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 11:14 PM UTC

tadfisher wrote: post #26

untog wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I feel like you're over-thinking it. "Mark as Read" is exactly that- "mark this as if I have read it, even though I have not". I don't see how it's broken.

The problem is that I can no longer distinguish between mail that I have read and mail that I simply don't care about. The solution I presented requires no explicit interaction and gives me this granularity. Sure, I can manually apply a label in Gmail, but that's explicit once more (and requires far too many clicks for such a simple operation).

> I can no longer distinguish between mail that I have read and mail that I simply don't care about.

Why is this distinction important? When do you need to browse through mail that you've read? If you need to find something you can just search for it by content or individual.

The problem with automatically applying a 'seen' label, is that it forces you to to immediately filter through all your new mail. You can't stop halfway because then some 'unseen' mail will get marked 'seen'.