I wonder what's in place to prevent you requesting a CD of someone else's data.
24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
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Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#12Man I want a copy of my report. Considering they're supposedly all about eliminating privacy, shouldn't they want to make all this accessible?
Accessible to advertisers, not users. They don't particularly care if you can find the set of friends who visit sports blogs on odd numbered Tuesdays and like chili fries.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#13If you don't like them storing your data, then don't go on the site. They won't have it if you don't give it to them.
One might still wish to benefit from some of the undoubtedly useful aspects of Facebook without needlessly surrendering various rights to their data as enshrined in European law.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#14Maybe it's my unenlightened American perspective coming out here, but why is this a big deal?
You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service.
Facebook isn't a government agency, it's a private organization that has persuaded people to give it armloads of data about themselves, and uses that for whatever completely legal purposes it so desires. It's not like they are taking out credit card applications or anything on behalf of these users.
What is it about this completely voluntary relationship that is so inherently evil? I really don't get the harsh kickbacks and complaints against things like "Facebook keeps records of pokes even if the user 'removes' them". So what? How is that something that is litigation or 'outcry' worthy?
How much of this data is just persistent in the system because they operate at a scale where data deletion or removal just cannot feasibly be accomplished[1]? Much like google - 'we dont delete anything'. Why should they legally or otherwise be required to verify something is actually deleted, instead of simply ensuring it's inaccessible in their system? Why is nobody complaining about NTFS or ext3/4 not actually zeroing out the file space when you delete something, and instead just 'marking it deleted' or 'removing the pointer in the inode'? How is that fundamentally any different at all?
Please, educate me, because I really don't get it.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#15If you don't like them storing your data, then don't go on the site. They won't have it if you don't give it to them.
One of the complaints is that they have profiles on people who are not users. They can get other people to give them information about you.
Specifically, have a look at complaint #2:
"Shadow Profiles. Facebook is collecting data about people without their knowledge. This information is used to substitute existing profiles and to create profiles of non-users."
http://europe-v-facebook.org/Compalint_02_Shadow_Profiles.pd...
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#16If you don't like them storing your data, then don't go on the site. They won't have it if you don't give it to them.
That's not true. If you visit any website with a "Like" button, FB will track you even if you don't click it. If you use Spotify, FB will get a record of your music even if you don't visit the site.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#17> If you use Facebook, records of all these visits are linked, through cookies, to your Facebook profile - even if you never click the “like” button. Ghostery[0] prevents this, IIRC. 0: http://www.ghostery.com/
Also, if you already have AdBlock Plus for firefox installed, try this: http://lifehacker.com/5542041/block-sites-from-using-your-fa...
Prevents non-facebook domains from knowing when you are logged into facebook.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#18Maybe it's my unenlightened American perspective coming out here, but why is this a big deal? You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service. Facebook isn't a government agency, it's a private organization that has persuaded people to give it armloads of data about themselves, and uses that for whatever completely legal purposes i…
"You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service."
Likewise, Facebook chose to operate under the laws of the various lands in which it operates.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#19Maybe it's my unenlightened American perspective coming out here, but why is this a big deal? You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service. Facebook isn't a government agency, it's a private organization that has persuaded people to give it armloads of data about themselves, and uses that for whatever completely legal purposes i…
No, if they don't abide by the laws, their purposes are not completely legal. Just like you cannot completely voluntarily sell yourself into slavery under US law, there are certain inalienable rights that cannot be given up under european law, and control over your personal data is one of them. That is the point of it.
Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook
#20Maybe it's my unenlightened American perspective coming out here, but why is this a big deal? You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service. Facebook isn't a government agency, it's a private organization that has persuaded people to give it armloads of data about themselves, and uses that for whatever completely legal purposes i…
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