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The original “Bambi”

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Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by 0des »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #25
Ralfp wrote: post #2

I’ve grown watching „The Animals of Farthing Wood” (1993 cartoon). It has episode showing family of mice struggling to survive and worried about future for their babies. In following episode we get shot of same mice family impaled on needles by birds going to eat them. https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_EkpfJKfyX8WRKQnr7H... Entire story is told around forest dying out and animals struggling to survive in it.…

I loved a cartoon growing up as a child, called Alfred J. Kwak [0], a Dutch / Japanese series about a duck and his adventures; I believe a lot of it is on youtube if you want. The first two episodes are about two anthropomorphised ducks that meet, fall in love, move into a clog and have a spawn of babies, happily ever after until the whole family but Alfred get killed by a car. That was err. a pretty brutal thing for…

According to Redwall: Raven > Crow > Rook > Magpie, in that order.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by david38 »

Ralfp wrote: post #2

I’ve grown watching „The Animals of Farthing Wood” (1993 cartoon). It has episode showing family of mice struggling to survive and worried about future for their babies. In following episode we get shot of same mice family impaled on needles by birds going to eat them. https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_EkpfJKfyX8WRKQnr7H... Entire story is told around forest dying out and animals struggling to survive in it.…

That bird is a shrike. Pretty rough for a cartoon.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by JKCalhoun »

senko wrote: post #6

Yes, Bambi is an utterly depressing story. Most original material Disney adapted was bleakier and more grisly than the adaptation. Most of the tales collected by brothers Grimm would today be horror stories. (Did you know that Cinderella's evil stepsisters had their toes and heels cut off so they could fit in the slippers? Or that the ravens pecked their eyes as punishment? Or that Maleficent ends up in a boiling cau…

I know Disney pretends that "Song of the South" never existed, but Joel Chandler Harris' "The Tales of Uncle Remus" etc., includes a few stories where the animals meet their ends. Disney passed on those tales of course (leaving them as well out of the Disney book that followed the film and included additional Harris tales).

Like the suggestion that "Bambi" is a parable, it has been also suggested that Brer Rabbit represents the slave of the Antebellum South surviving against the toothed and clawed Brer Fox and Brer Bear only by his wits (though in fact Brer Wolf meets his own end at the hands of Brer Rabbit's "wit" ... or boiling water in his specific case).

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by jeroenhd »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #29
brobdingnagians wrote: post #3

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I've been split on this. On the one hand it is a bit unpleasant and can be traumatizing, and we tend to shy away from unpleasant things, but on the other hand lots of generations grew up on Grimm's Fairy Tales and Hans Christian Andersen fairy tales and learned a bit about how difficult life can be and the consequences of moral failings or lack of hard work. It is important to prepare children for the fact that life…

IIRC, many of the most popular fairy tales give happy endings by pure luck and happenstance. Catch a fish with a magic ring, etc…. The ones with moral lessons are too on-the-nose to be enjoyable.

The most popular fairy tales also have been modified to be more kid friendly. Nobody saved Little Red Riding Hood. Sleeping Beauty wasn't kissed, she was raped in her sleep and gave birth; it was her child sucking the needle out of her finger that woke her up.

These used to be more than just stories for kids, but modern fairy tales are rarely ever told to an adult audience anymore. For many fairy tales, the happy ending was added centuries after they spread.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by bytehowl »

jeroenhd wrote: post #48
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved a cartoon growing up as a child, called Alfred J. Kwak [0], a Dutch / Japanese series about a duck and his adventures; I believe a lot of it is on youtube if you want. The first two episodes are about two anthropomorphised ducks that meet, fall in love, move into a clog and have a spawn of babies, happily ever after until the whole family but Alfred get killed by a car. That was err. a pretty brutal thing for…

Never thought I'd say this, but I really need to rewatch Alfred J. Kwak. I remember it as "that weird duck show from my childhood"… It doesn't seem to be available on any streaming platforms, though.

There's a bunch of playlists on YT as mentioned in one of the other posts. Here's the first one that came up for me (AI upscaled, apparently): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSaUrah-p_nqNYjF3iM7...

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by gonzo41 »

Ralfp wrote: post #2

I’ve grown watching „The Animals of Farthing Wood” (1993 cartoon). It has episode showing family of mice struggling to survive and worried about future for their babies. In following episode we get shot of same mice family impaled on needles by birds going to eat them. https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_EkpfJKfyX8WRKQnr7H... Entire story is told around forest dying out and animals struggling to survive in it.…

That's wild, and really heavy. I'm so glad I didn't see that when I was a kid.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by david38 »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #39
lm28469 wrote: post #21

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Because you can go decades without any kind of serious events in your life, living in a perfect bubble until shit hits the fan. That's when you learn nothing prepared you for that and no one cares or knows how to behave. That's kind of the main reason we started to write stuff down, to learn things from the past through other's experiences, so that you don't have to feel alone going through every traumatising events…

The hardest part about being involved in a life altering event/catastrophe is that even having the preperation you're often blindsided by someone's or some groups avarice. My father who was financially devastated by people close to him passed on one insanely strong piece of advice that is superior to any fairy tale and saved me. 1. Always have a legal agreement at the start even/especially if it's friends and family.…

My father would have done well to follow your father’s advice

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by giantg2 »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #39
lm28469 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you can go decades without any kind of serious events in your life, living in a perfect bubble until shit hits the fan. That's when you learn nothing prepared you for that and no one cares or knows how to behave. That's kind of the main reason we started to write stuff down, to learn things from the past through other's experiences, so that you don't have to feel alone going through every traumatising events…

The hardest part about being involved in a life altering event/catastrophe is that even having the preperation you're often blindsided by someone's or some groups avarice. My father who was financially devastated by people close to him passed on one insanely strong piece of advice that is superior to any fairy tale and saved me. 1. Always have a legal agreement at the start even/especially if it's friends and family.…

I operate on the assumption that any sort of loan could end up as a "gift". If I'm going to loan friends or family money I ask myself if I'm OK not getting it back.

Re: The original “Bambi”

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Post by radicalbyte »

jeroenhd wrote: post #48
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved a cartoon growing up as a child, called Alfred J. Kwak [0], a Dutch / Japanese series about a duck and his adventures; I believe a lot of it is on youtube if you want. The first two episodes are about two anthropomorphised ducks that meet, fall in love, move into a clog and have a spawn of babies, happily ever after until the whole family but Alfred get killed by a car. That was err. a pretty brutal thing for…

Never thought I'd say this, but I really need to rewatch Alfred J. Kwak. I remember it as "that weird duck show from my childhood"… It doesn't seem to be available on any streaming platforms, though.

I've watched pretty much every episode at least 50 times, my wife also watched it as a kid and got our oldest addicted to it.

Fantastic cartoon, impressive how they handled facisme. Guess certain Dutch politicians either didn't see it or did and got inspired by Dolf.

In related news, I've also seen every episode of True and Nijnje (90s, 00s and specials) a similar number of times for kid #2 and kid #3 :)

I grew up in the UK so as a kid I was traumatised by Yellow Submarine, Tottie (dollhouse burns down killing everyone), Watership Down and the aforementioned Animals of Farthing Wood.

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