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Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by waqf »

watwut wrote: post #126
waqf wrote: post #123

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I think it's very useful in such a case to investigate, as scientifically and dispassionately as possible, exactly how such a moment came to be. And I think that would involve "getting into the heads" of the supporters of the cause. Do you not think so?

Well, if you see that to be in dichotomy with being principled or judging, then it is less noble then you seem to imply.

If by "being principled or judging" you mean labelling people as evil and dismissing them then I don't accept that that's axiomatically noble.

If by "being principled or judging" you mean having any ethical values at all, then I don't see that it is inconsistent with striving to understand others' minds; I was asking because it appeared that the poster I was responding to thought so.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by medo-bear »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #129
medo-bear wrote: post #128

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sure. the article is good. i just had in mind the grandparents interpretation visavis cultural differences. i found it interesting since on my first reading i imagined brad as a typical childhood as described to me as personal experiences of my asian (incl indian) friends and i found it interesting that they have an opposite interpretation whith which my experiences also align somewhat some people play the maths game…

And I was playing the "argue with strangers on the internet" game. Can you please post something that's easy to disagree with, so that I can tell you're wrong and feel better about myself?

sure ... i reckon the best topping on a capricciosa pizza is (tommy) mayo :)

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by watwut »

waqf wrote: post #131
watwut wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if you see that to be in dichotomy with being principled or judging, then it is less noble then you seem to imply.

If by "being principled or judging" you mean labelling people as evil and dismissing them then I don't accept that that's axiomatically noble. If by "being principled or judging" you mean having any ethical values at all, then I don't see that it is inconsistent with striving to understand others' minds; I was asking because it appeared that the poster I was responding to thought so.

It is not noble to intentionally bias yourself toward "proudly dream of genocide" which is exactly what you propose is doing. You do propose to spend a lot of effort to get into the heads of perpetrators ... but there is no equivalent feeling of pressure to get into the head and reality of victims who need help, support and defense right now. There is also difference between explaining and rationalizing and what is proposed here sounds to me closer to "rationalizing" - because you start with assumption that analysis should not end in negative judgement.

The "how it came to be" in real world history tend to be fairly long complicated story. It gets to be explained and revised literally for years after the fact, as important document start surfacing or people who were afraid to talk starts to talk. Typically it starts 20 years ago, when some journalists ended up beaten and arrested and someone's business interests something.

You can in fact study history of holocaust with principled opinion and judgement that Holocaust was bad.

Re: What game are you playing?

#134

Post by booleandilemma »

scubbo wrote: post #6
rektide wrote: post #2

One of nerd's worst problems is that the games they play really deeply matter, that their pursuits can be fantastically stunningly valuable extrinsic & intrinsic pursuits. But there's so few people playing the good games, that commit to engaging the world as naked frankly & genuinely. This post preaches recognizing others game. But few people will ever have the capacity to genuinely recignize your game. Nerds: your p…

> nerds in particular get shit for respect I have no idea what world you're living in, but it's not mine.

And how many points did you complete this sprint, scubbo?

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by waqf »

watwut wrote: post #133
waqf wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "being principled or judging" you mean labelling people as evil and dismissing them then I don't accept that that's axiomatically noble. If by "being principled or judging" you mean having any ethical values at all, then I don't see that it is inconsistent with striving to understand others' minds; I was asking because it appeared that the poster I was responding to thought so.

It is not noble to intentionally bias yourself toward "proudly dream of genocide" which is exactly what you propose is doing. You do propose to spend a lot of effort to get into the heads of perpetrators ... but there is no equivalent feeling of pressure to get into the head and reality of victims who need help, support and defense right now. There is also difference between explaining and rationalizing and what is p…

I am not "biasing myself toward" a point of view; you are putting words in my mouth. If you can't consider someone's point of view without agreeing with it, then I do see the miscommunication. I can, and I also think it's necessary and important.

I am interested in solving the long-term problem of preventing the next genocide.

You are interested in solving the short-term problem of alleviating the current one.

They are both important work. Likely they are good fits for our respective skillsets. I don't mean to stop you from solving your problem and I'm not mad at you. I don't know why you want to insult me and stop me from solving mine.

> You can in fact study history of holocaust with principled opinion and judgement that Holocaust was bad.

Yes. That's exactly what I am proposing to do.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by chrisweekly »

certifiedrodent wrote: post #127
Sixsixsixtyfour wrote: post #120

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This is an incredibly toxic outlook that fails to take into account that women are also fully featured humans with personalities. As a man, you likely get along with people both nerdier and less nerdy than you. Women do the same.

Not to mention that the "nerds" group is not gender-specific.

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by AussieWog93 »

medo-bear wrote: post #132
AussieWog93 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I was playing the "argue with strangers on the internet" game. Can you please post something that's easy to disagree with, so that I can tell you're wrong and feel better about myself?

sure ... i reckon the best topping on a capricciosa pizza is (tommy) mayo :)

Right in the capricciosas, man. How did you know I liked anchovies? :P

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by watwut »

waqf wrote: post #135
watwut wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not noble to intentionally bias yourself toward "proudly dream of genocide" which is exactly what you propose is doing. You do propose to spend a lot of effort to get into the heads of perpetrators ... but there is no equivalent feeling of pressure to get into the head and reality of victims who need help, support and defense right now. There is also difference between explaining and rationalizing and what is p…

I am not "biasing myself toward" a point of view; you are putting words in my mouth. If you can't consider someone's point of view without agreeing with it, then I do see the miscommunication. I can, and I also think it's necessary and important. I am interested in solving the long-term problem of preventing the next genocide. You are interested in solving the short-term problem of alleviating the current one. They a…

The thread starts with question: "Have you experienced a moment when most of your nation supports an unjust invasion, and many openly and proudly dream of genocide?" As a response to "judgement is inherently immature". That latter also seem to think that "principled is same as judgement".

Both of these refer to ongoing situation.

> I am interested in solving the long-term problem of preventing the next genocide.

How so? You feel we don't have huge amount of data about past genocides and desperately need new data from this one, before we can make judgements and decisions in an ongoing situation?

Why the limit of "must end up without judgement else you are immature"?

Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by [deleted] »

smeej wrote: post #104
draw_down wrote: post #77

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Indeed, as well as learning to accept that there are some games you'll just never be good at. Personally, I've never been good at playing the political game at work so I don't attempt to. There are times when I can tell it's being played, but maybe not even who exactly is playing, let alone what their strategy is or what a strategy might look like. It seems difficult and not fun at all though, so I'm ok with this ina…

I find I make this choice a lot, not to play games that don't seem enjoyable to me and/or where I don't think I would have much of a knack for them. I struggle, though, to communicate to others that I don't think any less of them for choosing to play those games. If they're enjoying them, especially if they're also experiencing the success they want from them, I tend to think they should keep playing. I just have a h…

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Re: What game are you playing?

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Post by egypturnash »

Right now by looking at HN, I’m playing the “look into the world of people who are playing the be good at computers and sacrifice everything on the altar of making lots of money game and be glad I chose a different game”.
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