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Re: What game are you playing?

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> it then makes sense (and is good) for principled people to trust their judgement, even if it makes them an outcast. I don't get this. Being judgemental always seemed immature to me. Being curious and trying to understand why individuals or groups do seemingly irrational things: yes. Being judgemental (or "principled" (is this synonymous?)): no. To me, that was always a sign of someone who hasn't made sense of thems…

The issue here is, that good sounding high minded principle you describe in first paragraph fairly often amounts to enabling. It also puts great emphasis to understanding aggressor and literally none to understanding victim ... which turns into victim blaming and petty scrutiny of victim fairly often. And I don't even have super big issues in mind. It happens in fairly normal abusive/low level corruption situations t…

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Re: What game are you playing?

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> it then makes sense (and is good) for principled people to trust their judgement, even if it makes them an outcast. I don't get this. Being judgemental always seemed immature to me. Being curious and trying to understand why individuals or groups do seemingly irrational things: yes. Being judgemental (or "principled" (is this synonymous?)): no. To me, that was always a sign of someone who hasn't made sense of thems…

Have you experienced a moment when most of your nation supports an unjust invasion, and many openly and proudly dream of genocide?

I think it's very useful in such a case to investigate, as scientifically and dispassionately as possible, exactly how such a moment came to be. And I think that would involve "getting into the heads" of the supporters of the cause. Do you not think so?

Re: What game are you playing?

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One of nerd's worst problems is that the games they play really deeply matter, that their pursuits can be fantastically stunningly valuable extrinsic & intrinsic pursuits. But there's so few people playing the good games, that commit to engaging the world as naked frankly & genuinely. This post preaches recognizing others game. But few people will ever have the capacity to genuinely recignize your game. Nerds: your p…

I'd almost believe this before I started my PhD. In reality, I think the most common academic/"nerd" game, by a long shot is "acquire as much useless/non-actionable/niche knowledge as possible, so that you can rub other peoples' noses in the fact that they don't possess said knowledge". With very few exceptions, it's not "the long game", a "good fight" or anything else worth valorising - it's lonely, miserable fucks…

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Re: What game are you playing?

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Is it, though? I've never been to India/Pakistan, but just knowing some of the migrants I've met you guys seem to be much the same as us. Some play the status game (first to get a shitty BMW wins), others play the "knowledge" game. Some play the "work your arse off to show how much of a man you are" game, others play the "work as little as possible to show how much of a man you are" game.

i started school in the balkans and came to australia midway through. one of the key things that struck me was the divide between "nerds" and "cool" kids. this divide simply didnt exist where i was from and usually the cool kids were ones that excelled in everything. actually physical fitness is (was?) a huge and very strict part of the school curriculum, starting from primary school. this might however be a remnant…

Not denying what you're saying at all about the nerd/jock thing being a weird artifact of the West, but that's not the point of the article. It was talking about the fact that all different kinds of "games" exist and nobody is playing all of them.

Some people are playing the "bang as many chicks as you can" game, others are playing the "be faithful to one woman" game, and some aren't playing either of those games at all.

Sure, that particular jock/nerd game might not exist across cultures, but other games do.

Re: What game are you playing?

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post #123

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Have you experienced a moment when most of your nation supports an unjust invasion, and many openly and proudly dream of genocide?

I think it's very useful in such a case to investigate, as scientifically and dispassionately as possible, exactly how such a moment came to be. And I think that would involve "getting into the heads" of the supporters of the cause. Do you not think so?

Well, if you see that to be in dichotomy with being principled or judging, then it is less noble then you seem to imply.

Re: What game are you playing?

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You are saying that women don't respect successful men? Because in my world, nerds are successful.

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This is an incredibly toxic outlook that fails to take into account that women are also fully featured humans with personalities. As a man, you likely get along with people both nerdier and less nerdy than you. Women do the same.

Re: What game are you playing?

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i started school in the balkans and came to australia midway through. one of the key things that struck me was the divide between "nerds" and "cool" kids. this divide simply didnt exist where i was from and usually the cool kids were ones that excelled in everything. actually physical fitness is (was?) a huge and very strict part of the school curriculum, starting from primary school. this might however be a remnant…

Not denying what you're saying at all about the nerd/jock thing being a weird artifact of the West, but that's not the point of the article. It was talking about the fact that all different kinds of "games" exist and nobody is playing all of them. Some people are playing the "bang as many chicks as you can" game, others are playing the "be faithful to one woman" game, and some aren't playing either of those games at…

sure. the article is good. i just had in mind the grandparents interpretation visavis cultural differences. i found it interesting since on my first reading i imagined brad as a typical childhood as described to me as personal experiences of my asian (incl indian) friends and i found it interesting that they have an opposite interpretation whith which my experiences also align somewhat

some people play the maths game, some people play the school game, some people play the philosophy game, etc. its an interesting simple take on life. what is an interesting problem to me is how to optimise for the games we choose to play while taking into account societal pressures to specialize in one game

Re: What game are you playing?

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Not denying what you're saying at all about the nerd/jock thing being a weird artifact of the West, but that's not the point of the article. It was talking about the fact that all different kinds of "games" exist and nobody is playing all of them. Some people are playing the "bang as many chicks as you can" game, others are playing the "be faithful to one woman" game, and some aren't playing either of those games at…

sure. the article is good. i just had in mind the grandparents interpretation visavis cultural differences. i found it interesting since on my first reading i imagined brad as a typical childhood as described to me as personal experiences of my asian (incl indian) friends and i found it interesting that they have an opposite interpretation whith which my experiences also align somewhat some people play the maths game…

And I was playing the "argue with strangers on the internet" game.

Can you please post something that's easy to disagree with, so that I can tell you're wrong and feel better about myself?

Re: What game are you playing?

#130
post #79

Good thought. My immediate response is "yeah, I really didn't get the games other people were playing in junior high," which is the time frame the article evokes for me. I feel like the gotcha is you have to realize - at least sometimes - that there are still games you don't get. It's easy to feel like, "at ${year - 1} I was such an idiot, glad that's over now." You'd be surprised how many years in a row you can feel…

> You'd be surprised how many years in a row you can feel that way before the meta realization sinks in. I think that meta feeling comes quite quickly, it’s just that you cannot yet grasp the full scope of your naivete. Every year I feel more cynical and look back on my younger self with a mixture of awe and horror. It’s becoming more and more apparent to me why it is young people that change the world.

The older I get, the more I hold the following two thoughts simultaneously in my head:

- "Young people are insufferable. They know nothing but think they know everything."

- "Thank $deity for young people. They have the naïveté to question everything and the energy to try fixing it."

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