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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by trasz » Wed, May 04, 2022, 3:44 PM UTC

blub wrote: post #276

chelical wrote: post #260

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It makes sense to punish Russia in the same vein we punished the citizens of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Putin was legitimately elected even if there were discrepancies, he's still extremely popular. The war has elevated his approval within Russia. The rest of this post operates under the premise that Ukrainians wanting to be a part of the EU/NATO was manipulated by the West. Even if that were the case, the inva…

Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan lost a war and they were punished by the victors. Makes sense and is a well established pattern. Russia is in a war with Ukraine and it’s getting punished by… the US. Well, technically US allies are also involved but with different degrees of enthusiasm. This one seems much more arbitrary. The idea that the US is getting involved because of the war crimes doesn’t hold water either, bec…

No, Russia is also being punished by the victors, in this case by Ukraine. US is secondary here: they are providing help to Ukraine, like other western (and even not so western) countries. Anything that hurts Russia is fair game, because that's how war works. It's not just in the interests of US, it's in everyone's interests, in particular for countries bordering with Russia.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by sitkack » Wed, May 04, 2022, 3:46 PM UTC

mda wrote: post #271

freeflight wrote: post #225

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> The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. > Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely not like that, beyond a smaller group, Americans are by default positive and gregarious. Americans killed millions, and displaced tens of millions [0] in a "crusade on terror" the consequences of which lasting to this day, for…

I am sorry but this is total bs, nobody cornered Russia.

That is a flippant and simplistic view of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw

The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia.

Ukraine had a lower performing, cheaper economy than Russia, free trade status with the EU means that it could have setup factories for rich EU companies.

Huge untapped oil and gas deposits were discovered in Ukraine as well, putting Russia's energy dominance over Europe into doubt. With all of their financial eggs in the oil basket and all of that corruption to feed ... We now see the result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jsiaajdsdaa » Wed, May 04, 2022, 3:47 PM UTC

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #159

jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #117

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How much time is spent in milliseconds crunching data aka doing work, vs sitting around waiting to work?

CPUs use much less power while idle - if there are too many idle CPUs, that's either because the datacenter is not efficiently managed (e.g. machines are always on regardless of load), or because the standby capacity is needed at short notice.

Which sounds like something a search engine/big company like Yandex would need, this rendering performance a little less relevant since the CPUs aren't pegged at 100% all the time

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by nogenhat » Wed, May 04, 2022, 3:48 PM UTC

ivan_gammel wrote: post #221

nogenhat wrote: post #157

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lets see: 1. VK (Vkontakte) - Miralashvili, part of REK, friend of Sobchak and Putin :) 2. Wildberries - under patronage of Rosnef from the start. 3. Magnit - Galitskiy told from the beginning that he had to have a relationship with the government.

This is not what is called "control". Just some stories from the old times, something that could happen anywhere. 1. Father of one of the co-founders had a business in St.Petersburg in 1990s, but already in 2001 he was arrested for kidnapping charges. Doesn't sound like a "friend", does not prove Putin's control over VK at that moment. 2. Source? The only thing I know is that the founder is distant relative of a pers…

1. Yeh, your presentation is pretty friendly. Putin probably do not know what the k VK is, cause the all news he received through literally files :) But if you think that there is 'ex' in their circle of relationships - you are completely wrong. The fact that he was arrested actually proves it.

2. Look into Bell research against widberries, its quite public.

3. Yep, fair point.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by trasz » Wed, May 04, 2022, 3:57 PM UTC

fosk wrote: post #270

jollybean wrote: post #258

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1) This is Russian propaganda - either from someone who doesn't understand the situation (i.e. 'Useful Idiocy' as Stalin himself coined the term) - or - arguing in bad faith. It's ironically a very good example of the cynical, authoritarian, toxic 'bad faith' acting by the Russian government, and people. Foreign Minster Lavarov - literally just yesterday, was lambasting Israel for 'supporting the Nazi regime in Ukrai…

> Russia has no real threat from NATO - there is 0% chance of NATO aggression towards Russia, and they know it. I actually think that this is wrong. And that is the key to understand Russia’s behavior. Russia seems to have (legitimate I would say, given the past) fears that it will be attacked eventually like it happened in the past and needs to be - as a result of that - heavily defended.

I actually agree about the legitimate fears, but this doesn't justify invading anyone. And the situation in Ukraine was manufactured by Russia on purpose.

It's true that USA has done some terrible things in the past. And it's too bad the perpetrators never got punished. But it doesn't mean we should tolerate this behaviour elsewhere.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by piskov » Wed, May 04, 2022, 3:58 PM UTC

orangepurple wrote: post #259

vbezhenar wrote: post #224

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Many Russian companies used foreign registration to prevent raiding from corrupt higher-ups. It was kind of rule, at least in IT companies. For example FSB forced Durov to sell vkontakte. It wouldn't happen if vkontakte was registered outside of Russia. I don't know whether that reasoning was applied to Yandex case, but I wouldn't be surprised. Another former Russian company is Jetbrains which used to operate from Ru…

Jetbrains is hiring in Munich, Germany, Prague, Czech Republic, Remote, Amsterdam, Netherlands, Berlin, Germany, Cyprus, Serbia, and Armenia. I don't know when they were a fully Russian company as you claim they were at one point.

Just google translate this post on jetbrains blog https://blog.jetbrains.com/ru/team/2018/08/29/rossiyane-sozd...

As of the end of 2018 most of the company’s staff has been located in Russia.

This of course changed as devs were given a choice: either relocate (with company’s support) until the end of March, or leave the company.

Jebrains started on the remnants of russian Borland branch. Founders worked for TogetherSoft (which was accuired by Borland) from Russia till 1999 when they moved to Prague where in 2000 they started Jebrains. But till the very recently most of the development was conducted in Russia.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by teddyh » Wed, May 04, 2022, 4:03 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #290

fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

Anything that hurts Russia is fair at this point. This isn't one of those weird conflicts: this time there's clearly the bad side and the good side; Russia is guilty invading and perpetrating genocide for ideological reasons, and the West is helping the victim defend itself. (And also solve the root of the problem in the long run, by making sure Russia won't be able to invade anyone else in forseeable future.) Of cou…

> This isn't one of those weird conflicts: this time there's clearly the bad side and the good side

But people always say that. Every single time.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by leadingthenet » Wed, May 04, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

mrtranscendence wrote: post #289

leadingthenet wrote: post #184

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That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalistic (and much more accurate) “the system advantages the incumbent”. That’s fine, and I agree it’s an issue, but maybe tone it down a bit for next time. I’m used to this tone from Hungarians both online and in real life, but I’d rather not allow such false impre…

> There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire. I mean, you did vote in Orbán, a demonstrably terrible human being, for many years running. It’s hardly a better look for the citizens of Hungary if that wasn’t due to disenfranchisement.

Who says I voted Orbán? I'm pretty sure I never mentioned such a thing. The level of discourse some of you engage in is pathetic, this is honestly /r/politics levels of gaslighting.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by leadingthenet » Wed, May 04, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

xiphias2 wrote: post #237

leadingthenet wrote: post #184

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That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalistic (and much more accurate) “the system advantages the incumbent”. That’s fine, and I agree it’s an issue, but maybe tone it down a bit for next time. I’m used to this tone from Hungarians both online and in real life, but I’d rather not allow such false impre…

I don't see any difference. When the same person is leading for 16 years from millions of eligible people, it's not because of his ability, but because of how he took away voting rights in practice. My prediction is that the ,,voted'' PM of Hungary will be the same in 4 years. If you are right, it will probably change.

You're a master at talking past people, which is remarkably similar to this Orbán person you seem to dislike so much, now that I think about it. I genuinely can't tell if you're just arguing dishonestly, or if you're so wrapped in your little tribal bubble you can't even imagine some nuance being added to the discussion. In either case, I'm out.

> If you are right, it will probably change.

I literally never made that argument.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ivan_gammel » Wed, May 04, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

nogenhat wrote: post #294

ivan_gammel wrote: post #221

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This is not what is called "control". Just some stories from the old times, something that could happen anywhere. 1. Father of one of the co-founders had a business in St.Petersburg in 1990s, but already in 2001 he was arrested for kidnapping charges. Doesn't sound like a "friend", does not prove Putin's control over VK at that moment. 2. Source? The only thing I know is that the founder is distant relative of a pers…

1. Yeh, your presentation is pretty friendly. Putin probably do not know what the k VK is, cause the all news he received through literally files :) But if you think that there is 'ex' in their circle of relationships - you are completely wrong. The fact that he was arrested actually proves it. 2. Look into Bell research against widberries, its quite public. 3. Yep, fair point.

>But if you think that there is 'ex' in their circle of relationships - you are completely wrong. The fact that he was arrested actually proves it.

Sorry, I do not understand this. I did not mean literally Putin himself, but VK was not in any relationship with anyone from his inner circle (e.g. Timchenko, Rotenberg) or other oligarchs (e.g. Matvienko clan). Founders were forced to sell the company under pressure exactly because the government intended to get control over the most important social network, which it did not have.

>Look into Bell research against widberries, its quite public.

Do you mean the one from which I got information about relatives? https://thebell.io/nastoyashhaya-istoriya-wildberries-kak-ta...

It is a typical success story of an online retail business. It actually does not show anything that could be even slightly resemble affiliation with Putin and his inner circle. I know other relatively big companies which had similar growth trajectory and are still controlled by their founders.