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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by mda »

freeflight wrote: post #225
jollybean wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The things that I have seen over the last two months (a lot of social media coming out of Russia, street interviews, phone calls, public statements) make me believe that Russia is completely different than elsewhere in the West. The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely no…

> The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. > Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely not like that, beyond a smaller group, Americans are by default positive and gregarious. Americans killed millions, and displaced tens of millions [0] in a "crusade on terror" the consequences of which lasting to this day, for…

I am sorry but this is total bs, nobody cornered Russia.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by tablespoon »

finiteseries wrote: post #253
RobertRoberts wrote: post #248

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Russia is entirely incapable of projecting force that far, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova and the Baltics are about their level.

> Russia is entirely incapable of projecting force that far, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova and the Baltics are about their level.

Though they have been palling around with Assad in Syria.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jeroenhd »

freeflight wrote: post #214
jeroenhd wrote: post #204

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It should be said that the European Yandex probably uses euros as well, though I'm not sure if their European income is significant. You can visit their tax evasion office over at Schiphol Boulevard 165, 1118 BG Schiphol, The Netherlands, right next to Schiphol Airport. If their European counterpart isn't profitable or their tax evasion setup routes all funds through Russia then they may have trouble paying, but I th…

> I think it's more likely that the political situation of the war itself is to blame. The ban on paying in ruble is also a political decision, pretty much the whole Western response to Russian military action in Ukraine has been solely political to a hypocritical degree. I don't remember the world banning the US dollar as a valid payment option over the invasion of Iraq, even tho that would also have been a very apt…

You're right, the world should've put up sanctions against the USA and their allies. My country may be an ally of the USA, as far as the USA even has allies, but that doesn't excuse their invasion of the Middle East. Had they gone after the key players in the 9/11 attacks then I might have given them the benefit of the doubt but they suddenly didn't care about Saudi Arabia. The world should also move away from its dependency on the US Dollar for buying and selling oil as much as it should move away from rubles.

It's sad that the same politicians that se being spied on by the CIA refuse to move towards more independence from the American sphere of influence. Luckily, the USA is great at electing complete baboons into office, helping the rest of the world find reasons to seek independence and sever close ties in critical areas.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by kangda123 »

fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

Regardless of the alleged guilt of an average Russian (and the West's moral superiority to dispense punishment), doing business with Russian companies simply helps finance the war. Paying higher prices is literally the least we can do to save lives (on both sides of the conflict).

Just like we should not persecute every Russian, we should not take away Ukrainians' law to defend themselves. I come from a country that spend a better part of last 250 years under occupation and, frankly, lots of people would rather die fighting than go through that again. Especially, given that Russia is not a free country even for their own citizens - let alone conquered nation.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by Aachen »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #263
pjc50 wrote: post #170

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If we take an estimate of 20GW from https://ccaf.io/cbeci/index (huge variance!), and multiply that up, we can estimate that bitcoin is consuming the equivalent of six million liters of diesel every hour. (It's not going to be diesel, it's mostly a mix of coal and natgas depending on where it happens, but that gives you an idea of the size)

Globally, that mix is 36% coal, 23% natural gas, 15% hydro, 10% nuclear, 5% wind, and a smattering of other sources [1]. Also note that bitcoin miners that have a choice of where to locate choose regions where electricity is cheap, such as those serviced by hydro plants..."most" is a slight stretch, "about half" would probably be more correct - but yeah, it's not good. [1]: https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix

If only that cheap energy would have been available for yandex, maybe they'd have made a different choice than diesel...

I've also heard machine learning training is done in places with cheap energy because the training isn't usually latency-sensitive (querying the trained model might be). Not all AI magic is equally useful, but translation engines are the example I heard of and that's definitely helping me a ton (works better than google translate) as a foreigner in Germany.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by blub »

chelical wrote: post #260
fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

It makes sense to punish Russia in the same vein we punished the citizens of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Putin was legitimately elected even if there were discrepancies, he's still extremely popular. The war has elevated his approval within Russia. The rest of this post operates under the premise that Ukrainians wanting to be a part of the EU/NATO was manipulated by the West. Even if that were the case, the inva…

Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan lost a war and they were punished by the victors. Makes sense and is a well established pattern.

Russia is in a war with Ukraine and it’s getting punished by… the US. Well, technically US allies are also involved but with different degrees of enthusiasm.

This one seems much more arbitrary. The idea that the US is getting involved because of the war crimes doesn’t hold water either, because the US is also supporting perpetrators of war crimes in other conflicts.

The more likely explanation is that the US wants to hurt Russia and NATO & co are tagging along. Anything which hurts Russia is fair game, including hurting citizens, companies, etc. Because that sounds a bit nasty, it’s better to express it as punishment for supporting Putin.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by blub »

throw_a_grenade wrote: post #264
fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

Russia and "Putin" does not exist in vacuum -- they need resources to wage the war. Sanctioning taxpayers to Russia takes away resources needed for war effort.

Russian citizens aren’t funding the war machine. The EU, China, India, etc are. But sanctioning them is admittedly actually hard :-)

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by short_sells_poo »

daniel-cussen wrote: post #72
grapeskin wrote: post #38

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Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

Speaking of North Korea, their sanction-proofing themselves might finally pay off. I bet their heavily sanction-proofed products--not vulnerable to sanctions of their complements, and not dependent on sanctionables for production--are more attractive to the Russian markets now. And the sanctions mean they have less competition. You know I haven't seen a single DPRK product in my life? Not one. Not even a book. Not ev…

I’m not sure that NK is really a good example to follow. Yes, it’s certainly possible to become sanction proof like NK, but NK is basically subsisting and even that is being charitable. If your plan is to rekindle the golden age of your nation, then becoming an international pariah and have half the population starving is probably not the way to go.

What happened to (and with) Russia is a tragedy. Really, a nation and people with so much potential. Hardworking and capable of great sacrifice. They hold vast territories with unparalleled abundance of resources. Imagine how much of a force of good they could be. Actually, forget that. They didn’t even need to be good, just create an environment where everyone can strive instead of the few. Imagine how powerful they could be if only they didn’t turn into a petty kleptocracy.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by mda »

blub wrote: post #277
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia and "Putin" does not exist in vacuum -- they need resources to wage the war. Sanctioning taxpayers to Russia takes away resources needed for war effort.

Russian citizens aren’t funding the war machine. The EU, China, India, etc are. But sanctioning them is admittedly actually hard :-)

Russian citizens are funding the war machine by keeping Putin in control.

Edit: changed unnecessary wording

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by onesafari »

bob1029 wrote: post #102
RamRodification wrote: post #59

RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

I hope figures like this make developers think twice about about throwing yet another layer of abstraction on to the pile. How many VMs does an average business actually require, assuming the software wasn't written like total ass?

And dynamically typed languages.
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