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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> The industries actually rely on this for cooling. And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months? > it’s usually pretty expensive So why do people heat that way? Is it legislated into existence? Why? To reduce global warming?

I'm guessing the heat pump cost is only the cost of electricity (which can vary as well) and not the cost of the pump

Correct. Cost of heat pump installation is €10k-25k, cost of distributed heating is <€5k

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> 3) Cultural Chauvinism A very common thing for humans to have. US, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Japan, China – to list just a few countries which have a lengthy history of it, there are many more–and some will question whether some of the countries I have listed have really moved beyond it. (I'll even say my own country, Australia, has a decent amount of it – even if the form i…

The things that I have seen over the last two months (a lot of social media coming out of Russia, street interviews, phone calls, public statements) make me believe that Russia is completely different than elsewhere in the West. The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely no…

> The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere.

Sure, of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell#/media/File:Colin...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

The article title is misleading, but it does mention in the body of the story that: "The reasons for the disconnection are not clear, as Yandex is not currently on sanctions lists, but its news and blogging services, as well as a senior executive, have been criticized for spreading Russian propaganda"

No post body was provided.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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A lot of housing in Sweden is heated using left over heat from the industry (“spillvärme”). The industries actually rely on this for cooling. From what I hear, it’s usually pretty expensive compared to ground/air-to-water heat pumps (1 SEK vs 0.4 SEK per kWh of heat)

> The industries actually rely on this for cooling. And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months? > it’s usually pretty expensive So why do people heat that way? Is it legislated into existence? Why? To reduce global warming?

>And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months?

You keep working and dump the excess heat to the air.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of events. I have read articles about unwelcome Russian dogs and cats and Russian artists who are losing livelihoods for no reason.

Either Putin is a democratically elected leader, or he is a dictator. If he's a dictator why does it make sense to punish normal everyday Russians? Oligarchs and henchmen I can understand, but a cat? or a singer? Or Dostoevsky?

This kind of reaction in the west is really something else. The rest of the world just wants NATO and Russia to get along but instead there is a proxy war and the Ukranian people are suffering most of all. It was obvious to expect this sort of thing from Putin, which is why it's even more surprising that there has been such an obsession with poking the bear. What did western leaders think will happen? And was it really worth so many millions of Ukranians having their lives ruined? And for what? NATO membership? They just wanted to go about their lives. The absolute neocon brazenness of the USA where folks like John McCain was addressing crowds of protesters in Maidan saying that the USA supports their political cause, and then a civil war broke out that has now lasted 8-10 years and now most of those same people are likely homeless. The foreign policy of the west is just dumbfounding, truly. So many parts of the world and so many people have had their lives ruined because of it.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I don't understand, why would there be a risk that Germany be allied with Russia in 10-15 years time? To get cheap energy? That doesn't make any sense.

> To get cheap energy? That doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't that make sense? The US did start several wars (plus a wrongfully deposed government or two) in the Persian Gulf for exactly that reason (that was until their shale gas revolution took off in the late '00s). Plus, a des-industrialised Germany (which is what this war will most probably mean for them) means a poorer Germany, means a more politically restle…

Germany has plenty of options for cheap energy. They chose to align with Russia due to political influence and - apparently - good old bribing. Replacing those pipelines isnt cheap or fast, but its feasible, and there are several options available to connect to both international ports and north african streams. On the electricity front, it is still possible to backtrack partially on the denuclearization of the sector, helping to minimize some of the impact of cutting off Russia.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Good for you, but even Orban supporters accept that the voting system is biased, they just like it that way. As for me voting would have been too hard, so I donated money for the opposition to buy ads, but of course it was no match for the advertising budget Fidesz has at this point.

That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalistic (and much more accurate) “the system advantages the incumbent”. That’s fine, and I agree it’s an issue, but maybe tone it down a bit for next time. I’m used to this tone from Hungarians both online and in real life, but I’d rather not allow such false impre…

I don't see any difference. When the same person is leading for 16 years from millions of eligible people, it's not because of his ability, but because of how he took away voting rights in practice.

My prediction is that the ,,voted'' PM of Hungary will be the same in 4 years. If you are right, it will probably change.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> In early April, Nivos Energia announced it is buying a bioheat center from local firm HansHeat, which uses wood pellets or grain as fuel. [Emphasis mine] Grain seems like a rather inefficient way to generate power. Do they mean the waste straw left behind after harvest!

Dried grains are actually very energy dense, even though they are rarely used directly as fuel. Their high protein content is problematic for burning, though.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Should Google be preparing for sanctions against the US the next time they invade somewhere? Companies usually don't plan for unprecedented actions.

Yes, and I'd be quite surprise if they didn't. That is the low-hanging fruit of risk management - civil, political and economic stability of the market they're investing on.

Using an analogy, you don't see people rushing to live nearby a nuclear powerplant, do you? Even if the plant didnt have any accident before; the mere presence of it changes the risk.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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The things that I have seen over the last two months (a lot of social media coming out of Russia, street interviews, phone calls, public statements) make me believe that Russia is completely different than elsewhere in the West. The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely no…

> The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. The 2003 invasion of Iraq? Quite popular in the US at first (opinion polls at the time of the invasion showed over 70% support); people who opposed it were frequently belittled, shunned, harassed, boycotted (remember the controversy over the Dixie Chicks?). The reasons for the war wer…

? There were massive movements against the war in Iraq, including I thin the largest protests in all of history on Jan 15 2003 around the world, 100's of thousands of people in major cities.

That there were antagonisms between pro/against doesn't mean Americans were not empathetic one way or another, and the 'pro war' were as maligned by other side just as well i.e. 'war monger' etc..

While the popular justification for war was exaggerated, Iraq did have WMD, but more importantly, the geostrategic consideration for removing Saddam just isn't something that can be used in a populist context. You can't say "We failed to complete the mission in 1993, Saddam is operating a rogue regime" etc..

Remember that there was a 'no fly zone' over Iraq for a decade to keep the Iraqi Air Force down - this is arguably an untenable position.

If the 'post invasion' process were to have been better prepared for and planned and less direct political failure etc. I suggest people would look at it as a 'success'. My point being - the 'motives' are very tied to 'execution' in terms of our understanding of whether or not it was a good thing.

Most poignantly - the US wasn't trying to create a vassal, just the opposite. None of the Iraqi Oil contracts even when to American firms, during the occupational period US had considerable influence but would actually rather not. The US spent gazillions of dollars trying to 'get some kind of civil framework' going, which they accomplished, just barely so.

In hindsight it was a hugely bad decision, but it were to have been less chaotic than arguably it might not have been a bad decision.

Putin's decision to invade Ukraine is purely Imperialist, his objective is to 'erase' Ukraine.

If Ukraine had capitulated, sure, there would be less bloodshed, but you'd also see a nation evaporate, and, another 10's of millions of people living in another Russian Vassal s*thole.

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