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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ivan_gammel »

nogenhat wrote: post #157
ivan_gammel wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad that you know some history, but I'm not sure what are you arguing with. Economic growth of 2000s did happen and it was a pretty liberal time back then. >The large ones were not independent in anything but the name long before being taken over by state. Let's take a few concrete examples of really big companies: VKontakte, Wildberries and Magnit. How exactly Putin and his gang exercised the control over them…

lets see: 1. VK (Vkontakte) - Miralashvili, part of REK, friend of Sobchak and Putin :) 2. Wildberries - under patronage of Rosnef from the start. 3. Magnit - Galitskiy told from the beginning that he had to have a relationship with the government.

This is not what is called "control". Just some stories from the old times, something that could happen anywhere.

1. Father of one of the co-founders had a business in St.Petersburg in 1990s, but already in 2001 he was arrested for kidnapping charges. Doesn't sound like a "friend", does not prove Putin's control over VK at that moment.

2. Source? The only thing I know is that the founder is distant relative of a person, who became VP in Rosneft in 2016, long after the company was founded. Quite a stretch for "patronage", though they could use their connections to defend from raider attacks and extortion.

3. Every large company in every country has some relationship with the government. This is not the same as control, not the same as having political influence over the company and not the same as using the business for embezzling the funds for political purposes. I know some companies where their GR was basically a CSO playing tennis with an old friend from FSB, which kept them under the radar of the regime - I would not even call it corruption (how often can you see a DA in USA playing golf with some businessman?). You have to be more specific.

The reason why government or affiliated oligarchs take over the businesses, is to gain control because they did not have it before.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by mda »

paganel wrote: post #205
mda wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, why would there be a risk that Germany be allied with Russia in 10-15 years time? To get cheap energy? That doesn't make any sense.

> To get cheap energy? That doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't that make sense? The US did start several wars (plus a wrongfully deposed government or two) in the Persian Gulf for exactly that reason (that was until their shale gas revolution took off in the late '00s). Plus, a des-industrialised Germany (which is what this war will most probably mean for them) means a poorer Germany, means a more politically restle…

I still find it absurd that having a decline in economy would somehow push Germany to align with Russia, No offence, but economic issues or not, I don't think any European country with a smidgen of sanity would even touch Russia with a ten foot pole after what happened in the last few months.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by usrn »

mda wrote: post #222
paganel wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To get cheap energy? That doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't that make sense? The US did start several wars (plus a wrongfully deposed government or two) in the Persian Gulf for exactly that reason (that was until their shale gas revolution took off in the late '00s). Plus, a des-industrialised Germany (which is what this war will most probably mean for them) means a poorer Germany, means a more politically restle…

I still find it absurd that having a decline in economy would somehow push Germany to align with Russia, No offence, but economic issues or not, I don't think any European country with a smidgen of sanity would even touch Russia with a ten foot pole after what happened in the last few months.

Decline in economy means fewer choices. It doesn't matter what the country wants then.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by vbezhenar »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #147
_1tan wrote: post #108

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Legally Yandex is well integrated into the EU. Their main co. is a dutch, public company. Not sure how sanctions should work in this case.

For tax reasons only. We call them "brievenbus firma". They don't have any actual operations here.

Many Russian companies used foreign registration to prevent raiding from corrupt higher-ups. It was kind of rule, at least in IT companies. For example FSB forced Durov to sell vkontakte. It wouldn't happen if vkontakte was registered outside of Russia. I don't know whether that reasoning was applied to Yandex case, but I wouldn't be surprised. Another former Russian company is Jetbrains which used to operate from Russia for a long time, but their company was registered in Prague.

I wonder if Yandex eventually will be forced to completely move inside Russia. It seems that their Russian operations are main revenue source and they probably would not be able to leave Russia. And with current events unfolding, wall between Russia and Europe will probably only rise.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by freeflight »

jollybean wrote: post #160
skissane wrote: post #99

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> 3) Cultural Chauvinism A very common thing for humans to have. US, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Japan, China – to list just a few countries which have a lengthy history of it, there are many more–and some will question whether some of the countries I have listed have really moved beyond it. (I'll even say my own country, Australia, has a decent amount of it – even if the form i…

The things that I have seen over the last two months (a lot of social media coming out of Russia, street interviews, phone calls, public statements) make me believe that Russia is completely different than elsewhere in the West. The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely no…

> The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere.

> Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely not like that, beyond a smaller group, Americans are by default positive and gregarious.

Americans killed millions, and displaced tens of millions [0] in a "crusade on terror" the consequences of which lasting to this day, for a whole bunch of invented reasons [1] [2] [3].

And that was after the largest protest movement, in human history, literally begged them not to do it [4].

Which is quite a stark contrast to the Russia Ukraine situation; That has been a situation for by now nearly a decade, with Russia being very vocal about its own interests and where it draws the line in term of NATO expansion.

All of that was ignored, for years, as Russia's interests were not deemed important, or even worth considering from a Western, and particularly US perspective, that only considered one thing; Steady NATO expansion, steady encroachment on Russia [5].

After literally decades of this [6] the bear is now in the corner, and it's very predictably leashing out, yet most of the West still keeps acting like the bear is irrational for acting like that. Particularly as the West rather wants to peddle the narrative of the expansionist bear who is soon to roll into Berlin, to justify all that NATO expansion..

[0] https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/20...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_li...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shr...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_prot...

[5] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-jul-07-me-10464...

[6] https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/13/international/bush-pulls-...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by aforwardslash »

skissane wrote: post #68
lnsru wrote: post #53

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Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. Area is huge. As natural resources lying all over the place. They all could live like princes in Dubai, but made a different choice. They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.

> Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany Germany also has a huge population, especially by European standards, even if somewhat less huge than Russia’s. Both Germany and Russia are outliers, being in some ways far from the European average. What makes Russia much more distinctive, is in how many different ways it is an outlier - arguably in a fair few more ways than contemporary Germany is, which makes…

Maintenance of nuclear weapons (specially if old design) is actually very expensive - probably more than their manufacturing cost. Russia claims to have a huge stockpile, but their PIB is at the level of Spain (that has like 40% of russia's population). There is a huge disproportion between the military might Russia claims yo have, and their actual capacity of paying for it. If on paper it doesn't add up, the reality we've been seeing in Ukraine is even worse - even cheap stuff like comms are notoriously unreliable.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by swarnie »

pjc50 wrote: post #219
oneoff786 wrote: post #215

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What crimes are going to move the needle further at this point

They could shoot down a plane full of NATO nationals (again), or deploy chemical weapons of mass destruction in European cities (again)?

Oh oh, want about more extra-judicial assassinations in NATO countries?

123m spire ect ect

(be sad)

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by freeflight »

jollybean wrote: post #201
wara23arish wrote: post #191

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Americans are gregarious and positive but they simply do not know about what goes on abroad. Either they do not know or do not care. That signals that they too miss a pretty basic level of empathy. The number of countries ravaged/destroyed by americans and their decisions is countless.

The lack of empathy for the destruction of some places wrought by American power is evident, yes, but on the whole there's almost always a positive impetus. "number of countries ravaged/destroyed by americans and their decisions is countless. " - this is rubbish. The argument could be made for Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, but even then, those are uneven arguments and motivations were righteous if flawed. In Afghani…

> on the whole there's almost always a positive impetus

That's just regular old propaganda [0], even many of Russians in Ukraine think they are there for a positive reason, like actually denazifying Ukraine.

Just like plenty of Americans had the positive reason of debaathifying Iraq for serving there.

But even American soldiers are not always convinced of that "positive impetus" [1], particularly after witnessing the realities on the ground for long enough.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

Ndymium wrote: post #24
nicce wrote: post #17

Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

Ended for unspecified reasons? So is Yandex going to sue back? Is that an option?

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by zalfon »

oneoff786 wrote: post #215
anonymfus wrote: post #104

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> I think the only matter here related to the war could be that electricity sales companies might be reluctant to sell a contract to them, due to PR reasons. But I bet one of them will, and they will get their power back Not necessary, as actual engineers and electricians working for such companies could also refuse to make that connection. Also it's likely that sanctions will be more severe soon as Russian troops wi…

What crimes are going to move the needle further at this point

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