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4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by spot »

danmaz74 wrote: post #145
spot wrote: post #144

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that only works if you are so careful with your identities that they can't be linked. so that won't help your wife. there certainly are people who want this, but the burden of proof is on you to show that demand is more than hypothetical or anecdotal. this is a niche feature, not a killer app.

I never claimed to have proof that there would be sufficient demand for this. But if I had to prove something, I would start looking at the number of users who use apps that allow you to use multiple twitter, facebook etc. accounts. By the way, my wife already manages different identities by using different services (ie facebook and linkedin).

so what's to stop someone from resharing an update of hers from facebook to linkedin? i don't see any real difference from circles.

facebook does not allow multiple accounts. twitter doesn't have that many users.

"niche".

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by danmaz74 »

danmaz74 wrote: post #145
spot wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that only works if you are so careful with your identities that they can't be linked. so that won't help your wife. there certainly are people who want this, but the burden of proof is on you to show that demand is more than hypothetical or anecdotal. this is a niche feature, not a killer app.

I never claimed to have proof that there would be sufficient demand for this. But if I had to prove something, I would start looking at the number of users who use apps that allow you to use multiple twitter, facebook etc. accounts. By the way, my wife already manages different identities by using different services (ie facebook and linkedin).

Facebook forbids a lot of things, but that doesn't mean that they don't happen anyway. Before you ask me, I don't have any data about how many multiple accounts there are on FB, but my anecdotal experience suggests that there are many. I also think that it would be very interesting to actually take a survey about that, and about how many people would like to have multiple identities without violating the TOS.

About resharing, of course if you use the same real name in both services that would't be different from circles - it would just make it much harder to reshare, but by no way impossible. That's not my wife's use case. But if you use different names, tracing you becomes pretty difficult.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by bteitelb »

demallien wrote: post #128
bteitelb wrote: post #114

Poole is spot on. I'll add as a corollary, that users also don't want real-time communication that is a mirror. This is one of the reasons that videoconferencing has failed repeatedly since 1964. The entire cosmetics and fashion industries exist to provide avatars for when we must endure the gaze. And yet, we continue to work on videoconferencing and tele-immersion. Sigh.

What on earth makes you think that video conferencing has failed? I might not use it for business calls, or to organise an evening out with friends, but I use Skype video every weekend to catch up with my family... Sure, it doesn't replace every type of telephone call, but it certainly does replace some.

Your reply illustrates exactly how it has failed. You use it only to catch up with family...every weekend. These are the people for whom we do not bother putting on makeup or even our clothes sometimes.

Depending on demographics, per capita voice minutes (though falling) are still 500-1000 per month; and you are spending maybe a 10th of that on video calls with family. Judged against 50+ years of heavy R&D and promotion of this communications medium, I'd have to call that failure.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by kayhi »

zerostar07 wrote: post #140
toyg wrote: post #76

The problem with the multiple-vs-unique-ID debate is that people tend to ignore what these systems are really built for: data mining, behavioural analysis, targeted advertising etc. Users will agree with moot that separate identities are better and safer, but this is not how the real FB/Google customers see it; advertisers and marketeers want to know that user-A is an engineer AND loves cooking AND has a pet AND goes…

On the other hand, most of Google's (adwords) customers still target their ads based on keywords. That is, they don't care if their audience is an engineer or a farmer, as long as they are currently interested in their product. And it clearly works well, based on the prices of keywords. So it's not like adsense won't work without G+

I guess I'm the minority, but if I had the option a filter engineer vs farmer based on click history it would beneficial.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by endtime »

slowpoke wrote: post #108
endtime wrote: post #81

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How is that not isomorphic to Circles?

It's not. You seem to have misread the article. moot's saying that it's important "who you share as" not "who you share with". G+ doesn't allow you to have multiple identities, it allows you to share in different contexts with the same identity - which is fundamentally different. Besides, it's a very bad idea to leave identity management in the hands of a third party anyways, and the last third party I'd trust with m…

I didn't misread anything. What I'm saying is that sharing "as" a different aspect of myself is functionally equivalent to sharing with a different Circle, from a privacy perspective.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by pnathan »

jeffool wrote: post #16
barrkel wrote: post #13

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No, it seems like he's been hellbanned. All his comments since 4 days ago are dead.

hah, and to think, I just sent an email to pnathan asking about editing his comment out of politeness to the other party. Weird. Apologies pnathan!

No problem!

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by scrollbar »

Read_the_Genes wrote: post #111
scrollbar wrote: post #95

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There's a whole spectrum of user data with varying value to advertisers. Google already rocked search big time and now they're on to the rest of the online advertising budget. Ad networks (like me!) use demographic, psychographic, and behavioral data to target most display ad campaigns. I have run campaigns specifically sold as "market to Nigerian immigrants living in America" or "moms 25-35 interested in beauty prod…

And why should we trust you (or Google etc) with our data? Perhaps you (they) will exploit our ignorance and manipulate our preferences? Not everyone in the world can be assured their human rights and exposing personal information can lead to persecution. Therefore, there is a risk attributed to this data collection, at least for some. Not everyone is willing or able to take these risks. While I can agree that this d…

For sure. But parent was wondering why Google cares about our data- so I'm explaining why that is.
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