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A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by eyelidlessness »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #60
eyelidlessness wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be a much more valuable and informative comment if it wasn’t so wrapped in self-aware rude delivery. Saying so as someone who is prone to make that mistake.

Its one thing to make an honest mistake, its another thing to make half-baked conjectures about entire swaths of research fields where people have made careers and wrote full-baked PhD thesis's. Its frankly disrespectful to everyone's time when someone who hasn't even tried to be reasonably informed makes up some random explanation for everything and presents it as if their "insight" is worth anything whatsoever. My…

My entire point was that you’ll make more bullshit unwelcome, if you know better, by kindly inviting more well meaning bullshitters to reconsider their bullshit than by clobbering them. It’s not quite win flies with honey but it’s a narrower application of the same principle.

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by wrycoder »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #52
miika wrote: post #27

There is also another model about memory which I totally love. In that memory is not stored but brain is more like an antenna which can retrieve information from the space time coordinates where events actually took place. Because everything is constantly moving around something each event in the universe probably has unique location, a real physical place where it happened. So, the idea is that as we’re moving throu…

This is quantum woo fueled neo cartesian dualist bullocks. Sorry not sorry. For starters, if events in space and any point in time are accessible as "memories", the laws of physics that enable that shouldn't constrain the only application to memory. The same physical mechanism would have to enable telepathy and even time travel. Secondly, it violates the whole "no hidden variables" results from recent Bell inequality…

It’s hard to believe that fluff is the top rated comment.

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by wrycoder »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #61
IIAOPSW wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its one thing to make an honest mistake, its another thing to make half-baked conjectures about entire swaths of research fields where people have made careers and wrote full-baked PhD thesis's. Its frankly disrespectful to everyone's time when someone who hasn't even tried to be reasonably informed makes up some random explanation for everything and presents it as if their "insight" is worth anything whatsoever. My…

My entire point was that you’ll make more bullshit unwelcome, if you know better, by kindly inviting more well meaning bullshitters to reconsider their bullshit than by clobbering them. It’s not quite win flies with honey but it’s a narrower application of the same principle.

I see no need to tolerate literally ignorant rambling at the expense of informed commentary.

If a site keeps doing that, competent people go elsewhere. Why is that post the top comment on an interesting paper from MIT?

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by Salgat »

miika wrote: post #27

There is also another model about memory which I totally love. In that memory is not stored but brain is more like an antenna which can retrieve information from the space time coordinates where events actually took place. Because everything is constantly moving around something each event in the universe probably has unique location, a real physical place where it happened. So, the idea is that as we’re moving throu…

I'll have whatever this guy is having.

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by jasfi »

miika wrote: post #27

There is also another model about memory which I totally love. In that memory is not stored but brain is more like an antenna which can retrieve information from the space time coordinates where events actually took place. Because everything is constantly moving around something each event in the universe probably has unique location, a real physical place where it happened. So, the idea is that as we’re moving throu…

Do you have any scientific references to back this up? I agree that there could be something to your theory.

References make sense to me as well, but I also agree with the conclusion of this article, that memories are distributed. If you put the two together, then I think it works well. Those could be distributed references, that when fired together, activate a specific memory somewhere else in space-time.

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by eyelidlessness »

wrycoder wrote: post #63
eyelidlessness wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My entire point was that you’ll make more bullshit unwelcome, if you know better, by kindly inviting more well meaning bullshitters to reconsider their bullshit than by clobbering them. It’s not quite win flies with honey but it’s a narrower application of the same principle.

I see no need to tolerate literally ignorant rambling at the expense of informed commentary. If a site keeps doing that, competent people go elsewhere. Why is that post the top comment on an interesting paper from MIT?

I see no need to tolerate ignorant non sequiturs but I’ll be kind in the spirit of my point and ask that you re-read my prior comments and hopefully understand that’s not what I’m suggesting.

Being inflexibly and uniformly critical of all ignorance also drives people off. And the direct subject to a reply isn’t always the most important audience. Sometimes you’re persuading people who are passively reading along. If that sounds absurd in this scenario, consider the number of times a gentler rebuttal in a discussion has given you pause to reconsider some foolish idea you hadn’t expressed. If you can’t think of one, you’re either an outlier genius or maybe overconfident and overcompensating.

Either way, most people aren’t dissuaded of their ignorance by being chastised for it. Speaking as someone who’s lost important friends learning that the hard way.

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

lm28469 wrote: post #30
miika wrote: post #27

There is also another model about memory which I totally love. In that memory is not stored but brain is more like an antenna which can retrieve information from the space time coordinates where events actually took place. Because everything is constantly moving around something each event in the universe probably has unique location, a real physical place where it happened. So, the idea is that as we’re moving throu…

> As developer I think it would make most sense to only save references rather than trying store all events inside everyones brains. That would be huge waste of resources and just damn stupid. > And probably the way we humans have built our computers also reflects how the universe really works, because after all we are bits of the universe doing whatever the universe is doing. I think this is way too simplistic. Just…

Planes fly more like fish swim in the sea.

Re: A single memory is stored across many connected brain regions

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

shiftpgdn wrote: post #43
jameshart wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like there's nothing in that model that would stop you from being able to remember events that didn't even happen to you.

Encryption with a signed keypair maybe.

The soul is my private key?! Haha.
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