Well, did we?
CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Can someone name a scarrier (sp) entity that could be tracking you? ... The Mafia? Any other criminal or terrorist organization or individual? The police operating under an incorrect warrant? A creepy ex? Unless you buy into conspiracies, the CDC is at worst going to do what it thinks is best for you, and is constrained by constitutional checks and balances.
>... The Mafia? Any other criminal or terrorist organization or individual? The police operating under an incorrect warrant? A creepy ex? The mafia is easy. Pay them and they DGAF what you do. Creepy ex is more or less a non-issue because any threat of violence one person can bring can be matched by another one person. It's the police, terrorists and other well resourced but potentially capricious organizations (like…
'any threat of violence one person can bring can be matched by another one person.'
So thousands of people that are burgled, mugged and murdered by random criminals every year are a non-problem. Organised crime is a non problem.
You suffering a hypothetical potential for overreach by the CDC in some undefined timeframe is a real problem
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> CDC are the least scary people buying this data Most buyers probably just want to target advertising at me, or otherwise grab my attention. The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? I don't…
> The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? This describes every AdTech firm to a T, except that you’ve decided to direct your ire at a public health agency instead of them. The entire point…
There is an enormous difference between a corporation "nudging" me to buy something with an ad, and a government body using the full weight of its authority to force my compliance with their policies. I'm much more comfortable being nudged than I am being forced.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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I don't use FB, but don't you typically have to explicitly opt in to this kind of sharing? There is a world of difference between that and companies you can't really opt out of doing business with if you want to live in mainstream society (cell providers, banks, etc.) making you click 'agree' on some 50k line dump of legalese and then selling granular, non-anonymous personal data to anyone willing to pay. Frankly, th…
I spent a couple of decades in big-tech, and of-that did adtech for about 5yrs - we captured, aggregated, cooked out activity streams from billions of toolbar, browser, and beacon events per day, for real-time, long and short-term user profiles for around a couple of hundred million people - primarily for feeding the ad-exchange behavioral targeted ads. Back then about 80% of the active internet users. This was a hug…
My point is that the companies usually referred to as "Big Tech", e.g. Google, FB, Apple, etc., are generally not the ones participating in this kind of unrestrained exchange of PII and sensitive personal data for money. They generally keep their user data on their own servers, and use it to power ad targeting platforms.
The things you are talking about (e.g. smart TVs, cell providers, ISPs) are the things I am saying are actually bad. For some reason they don't get nearly as much attention, despite being far worse.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#205What's crazy is how far we've changed. The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information: > In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether…
>The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information The Due Process violation is not about government right to health information. It's about the govt not being able to deprive people of things without due process. Here's the full SC ruling [1] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113
The ruling claims that people had a right to privacy and that means medical decisions were not up to the government.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#206What's crazy is how far we've changed. The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information: > In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether…
> vaccine mandates We've had those for decades. > vaccine passports These must not be a federal thing, because I still don't really know what people mean by this. Is it a state thing? > and CDC surveillance Private surveillance that the CDC and anyone else can buy. I agree that collecting this info in the first place, let alone selling it, should be very, very illegal.
We have had federal vaccine mandates to hold a job before?
I've never had to provide proof of vaccination.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#207See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…
> CDC are the least scary people buying this data Most buyers probably just want to target advertising at me, or otherwise grab my attention. The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? I don't…
> The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives
It says "disease control" in the tin. If you aren't a sterile robot, you're a potential disease carrier. Connecting the dots isn't hard.
Prime weaponizable mandate. Of course there's those advertised constitutional/human rights, but, hey, it's just for the duration ...
You know the spiel. The classic Roman 6-month limit on dictatorship wasn't worth much either.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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The government having it is the most scary, because they have a monopoly on violence.
This is true in the abstract but adds nothing to the discussion if you actually had to make a decision. Lumping everything into "Government" and not government is partly why American society is completely broken in some regards.
As long as every branch of "Government" has the authority to escalate to forcible imprisonment for noncompliance with their policy, I will be equally mistrustful of all of them.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#209Our institutions are ancient, with overly specific missions. Like doctors, we have some for feet, for spine, for brain, but very few that integrate everything and see the big picture.
When things get complicated these narrow-minded institutions will fail us.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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Don't be obtuse. The Nazis gassed people because they thought that eliminating the demographics they were gassing would lead to a better society. Sure the people at the top knew it was questionable but the guy loading the train had spent a decade reading newspapers full of junk and thought he was deporting undesirables. The American Indians who's culture was systematically destroyed, all those people the eugenicists…
You are being obtuse - in neither of the cases did anyone involved believe people being killed were killed for their own good. The 'other' were being killed so that the right people can benefit.
How is this comparable to the topic at hand?