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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by jpgvm »

version_five wrote: post #100
samschooler wrote: post #2

See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

> CDC are the least scary people buying this data Most buyers probably just want to target advertising at me, or otherwise grab my attention. The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? I don't…

If you are that scared of people that have more knowledge than you on topics that take decades of study to understand I can't imagine how scared you should be of politicians. On average they have close to zero knowledge about anything yet wield power to change almost any facet of your life.

Personally I'm sticking with the scientists, atleast they earnt that power through real excellence rather than winning some popularity contest.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by smt88 »

version_five wrote: post #100
samschooler wrote: post #2

See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

> CDC are the least scary people buying this data Most buyers probably just want to target advertising at me, or otherwise grab my attention. The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? I don't…

> Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you?

FBI, CIA, local police, any branch of military, Oathkeepers (a group that did track me for a while because I organized a pro-voting event in my city)... it's a very long list. Basically anyone with a gun and a desire to harm me is a lot scarier.

In the past, companies used to assassinate leaders of unionization efforts, too.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by jonathankoren »

chaps wrote: post #105
modriano wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans have a long and storied record of using tools and information to do malicious things. But we also have a long and storied record of using tools and information to produce the incredible advances of the past few centuries, where the median life expectancy has nearly doubled from the baseline over the past 50k years. Personally, I would really prefer a system where health information was centralized and easily t…

Are you suggesting that this location information is "health" data and is okay for them to use and store?

Yes. Location data is health data. It has been since 1854.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outb...

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by smt88 »

Wohlf wrote: post #81
colinmhayes wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't even have the power to study gun violence.

Probably because gun violence isn't a disease, and there's already several agencies under the DoJ for that.

The DoJ is not a research institution, and the CDC doesn't only study disease. They study all threats to public health, including smoking, heat waves, and bicycle accidents.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by josho »

version_five wrote: post #100
samschooler wrote: post #2

See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

> CDC are the least scary people buying this data Most buyers probably just want to target advertising at me, or otherwise grab my attention. The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? I don't…

I know we are getting off track here somewhat. But it's group A wants this data to better understand society in order to save lives, while every other group want this data to increase their profits.

To your point, yes we shouldn't allow tracking. But, whatever fix we apply should not be so limited that it only affects the CDC, it should be generally applied to stop all groups as well.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #82
cm2187 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same happened with mask mandates.

If you are referring to Health Freedom Defense Fund v. Biden, I don't think that was the Supreme Court. It was a federal court. I have no idea if anyone has petitioned the Supreme Court to hear the case.

I believe that's in regards to Fauci saying the mandate reversals by the Supreme Court are unfortunate and should be left to them to decide.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by giantg2 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #68
cm2187 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that it is the least scary people. But I agree that the problem here is not that the CDC is buying it so much that this data is available to be bought.

They don't even have the power to study gun violence.

Actually they do. They have performed some firearms research in recent years. The restriction is just that the money cannot be spent on studies looking to support gun control. They choose to err on the side of caution and limit the studies rather than seek clarification through the courts on what would constitute supporting a policy.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/funded-resea...

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by colinmhayes »

Wohlf wrote: post #81
colinmhayes wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't even have the power to study gun violence.

Probably because gun violence isn't a disease, and there's already several agencies under the DoJ for that.

sure, just saying that

>virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has

is not true

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by h4waii »

post_break wrote: post #63
EricE wrote: post #16

Time to go back to a non-connected Garmin GPS while in the car and slip my phone into a mesh bag when not in use :( So glad I don't own a newer car with a cellular modem built into it. Hope I can die and be buried with my current "dumb" cards.

You better rip out your TPMS since those can be tracked. Same with anything that has bluetooth since those are widely tracked on highways for monitoring traffic flows. Oh and license plate readers, not sure how you block those. Can you live a cash only life as well since credit cards are obviously tracked. Do you own a home? Is it in your name or did you set up an LLC to purchase it? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just…

"The enemy of good is perfect".

There are acceptable steps to take in order to remove yourself and some of your data from the things you disagree with, but just because you can't reach step 10 right now, doesn't mean you should take step 1.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Post by brimble »

JaceLightning wrote: post #57

What's crazy is how far we've changed. The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information: > In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether…

> vaccine mandates

We've had those for decades.

> vaccine passports

These must not be a federal thing, because I still don't really know what people mean by this. Is it a state thing?

> and CDC surveillance

Private surveillance that the CDC and anyone else can buy. I agree that collecting this info in the first place, let alone selling it, should be very, very illegal.

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