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Re: Fediverse

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I feel the branding here is just not very appealing. "Federated" brings up associations of something boring and complicated and bureaucratic. And now because of the metaverse hype, "Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents.

Take a leaf from the crypto pumpers and call it web4?

"It's like web3 but advanced beyond money. You know, like in Star Trek. Hoarding tokens is just so 20th century."

Re: Fediverse

#62

Is having both a normal social media account & a federated version okay ? I've seen a lot of people delete their Twitter and then hop on Mastodon because they're worried about Musk. Whether their concern about Musk is valid is another question. How do people see his acquisition of Twitter as a bad thing? If anything he will try to improve it no?

Yes, as a several-year fedi user I don't see anything wrong per se with having and using both. (I never got into twitter so I personally don't.) The most important thing to remember is that it is specifically not Twitter, and you'll be disappointed if you try to bring the exact same kind of interactions you might have had on Twitter. Every instance has its own themes and inside jokes that you can get to know and become part of. It's designed to be more about forming relationships and community than getting lots of likes and followers.

It's possible to use a bot to crosspost your tweets onto a fedi account. Hardcore fedi fans tend to frown on it because it's a very arms-length way to interact with people on the platform, but a lot of people do it and I've even followed a few. If you're considering using a crosspost bot make sure your instance's rules allow them; different instances have different policies about that kind of thing.

As far as Musk goes, I have no doubt he will try to improve Twitter according to his vision of improvement, which not every user will agree with. We've already seen similar situations with Tumblr's policy changes a few years back leading to a wave of new users across the fediverse. Eventually some people go back/elsewhere and some stick around and become a part of these communities. Welcome to the fediverse!

Re: Fediverse

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post #61

I feel the branding here is just not very appealing. "Federated" brings up associations of something boring and complicated and bureaucratic. And now because of the metaverse hype, "Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents. Take a leaf from the crypto pumpers and call it web4? "It's like web3 but advanced beyond money. You know, like in Star Trek. Hoarding tokens is just so 20th century."

Every time I see "fediverse", I think it's some kind of US federal government cloud, until I remember that it's something else... I'm still not sure what.

Re: Fediverse

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post #61

I feel the branding here is just not very appealing. "Federated" brings up associations of something boring and complicated and bureaucratic. And now because of the metaverse hype, "Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents. Take a leaf from the crypto pumpers and call it web4? "It's like web3 but advanced beyond money. You know, like in Star Trek. Hoarding tokens is just so 20th century."

>"Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents.

This made me spit out my coffee laughing

Re: Fediverse

#65
post #3

Which are the platforms that let you own your data cryptographically and let you move your account around seamlessly for yourself and your followers? Basically the network should be in the data and the servers should be replaceable. I think those are very obvious bottlenecks that affect most of these alternative networks. On the other side, censorship is also very important, nobody wants to have to dwell into spam an…

Urbit does this: https://urbit.org/blog/an-urbit-overview

Re: Fediverse

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post #49
post #3

Which are the platforms that let you own your data cryptographically and let you move your account around seamlessly for yourself and your followers? Basically the network should be in the data and the servers should be replaceable. I think those are very obvious bottlenecks that affect most of these alternative networks. On the other side, censorship is also very important, nobody wants to have to dwell into spam an…

Try https://lens.dev if you’re interested in portable data/social graph that is onchain (disclaimer - I work on this)

What does this solve that Urbit doesn't?

Re: Fediverse

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post #61

I feel the branding here is just not very appealing. "Federated" brings up associations of something boring and complicated and bureaucratic. And now because of the metaverse hype, "Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents. Take a leaf from the crypto pumpers and call it web4? "It's like web3 but advanced beyond money. You know, like in Star Trek. Hoarding tokens is just so 20th century."

I agree — I find this more exciting and approachable than the name implies!

It’s striking how much sense this makes to me: you interact in social networks like mail servers interact with each other. How did this concept take this long! (I know it’s not NEW new but still… fairly new)

Suddenly, due to the distributed nature, it doesn’t need to be expensive to have your own server to be part of it, like how running a mail server can be cheap. But if you don’t want to care about that, just sign up on an existing server like most do! In either case, it’s cheaper because it’s not centralized and because it’s cheaper it doesn’t need ads for funding and because it doesn’t need ads it doesn’t need to keep distracting you with an ever changing feed and pulling in “suggestions” (read: AI noise)

So, there is really not that much to it!

Like mail servers or chat servers (remember XMPP?), but now social network servers.

And now Mastodon has an official app too, besides an approachable web interface. And thanks to the ActivityPub standard, anyone can write a server, or client app. I think it’s pretty revolutionizing with the voice now put in our hands rather than in a corporation’s.

Definitely deserving of something more fun than “Fediverse” which sounds geeky and alienating.

Re: Fediverse

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post #61

I feel the branding here is just not very appealing. "Federated" brings up associations of something boring and complicated and bureaucratic. And now because of the metaverse hype, "Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents. Take a leaf from the crypto pumpers and call it web4? "It's like web3 but advanced beyond money. You know, like in Star Trek. Hoarding tokens is just so 20th century."

Also, the fact that all of these partners are depicted on the edge/fringe, with a big gap in the center, might be a little too accurate.

Re: Fediverse

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post #61

I feel the branding here is just not very appealing. "Federated" brings up associations of something boring and complicated and bureaucratic. And now because of the metaverse hype, "Fediverse" sounds like a VR training program for FBI agents. Take a leaf from the crypto pumpers and call it web4? "It's like web3 but advanced beyond money. You know, like in Star Trek. Hoarding tokens is just so 20th century."

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Re: Fediverse

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post #17

Is having both a normal social media account & a federated version okay ? I've seen a lot of people delete their Twitter and then hop on Mastodon because they're worried about Musk. Whether their concern about Musk is valid is another question. How do people see his acquisition of Twitter as a bad thing? If anything he will try to improve it no?

Intra-elite competition between old media types and silicon valley types has being on for a while in different ways. Musk has been openly exposing some outsider narratives, so he is seen as an enemy to the old media types. I think this is most of it. The "billionaire" narrative doesn't make any sense. It's not like Twitter, or any other media companies, were owned by poor people until now.

>It's not like Twitter, or any other media companies, were owned by poor people until now

To an extent they were because they're a public company. A public company is accountable to its shareholders which in principle is open to everyone (generally represented by institutional investors in practice), whereas a private company is, in this case, only answering to one person, and only really serving one person.

That basic democratic aspect of American capitalism where everyone can take a stake in the economy is undermined when people withdraw from public markets altogether. It looks more like another gilded age.

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