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The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Here you go: https://pine64.org/pinetime .

The specs of the device linked in OP aren't that far off the PineTime. Maybe if we ask very nicely we can get the source code and begin work on a PalmOS port!

Unfortunately "asking nicely for source code" almost never works. I would prefer supporting companies which intentionally collaborate with the FLOSS community.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Pebble shutdown almost 8 years ago now and there does still not to be a replacement or alternative that can: last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch.

> last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch. Actually there is something that does that, my favorite watch: https://www.withings.com/us/en/steel-hr The battery lasts a month. The only thing which would improve it would be NFC payments, but one can't have it all. Also looks good IMO.

Citizen developed a fantastic-looking, bluetooth-connected mechanical watch called the Proximity using its Eco-drive solar tech:

https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/BZ1005-51E.html

https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/BZ1000-54E.html

In theory, its capabilities included phone search/filter and visual/vibration alerts. Not quite a smartwatch, but at least some connection to the digital ecosystem.

I was excited when I heard about this, particularly the Eco-drive, as it meant no charging would ever be necessary. I have one non-Bluetooth Eco-drive which has been running continuously for 12 years without changing the battery.

In practice, the Proximity was a disaster. Owners reported dropped connections, late notifications, and a terrible iOS and Android app. The first two problems, from what I read, related to insufficient power. It wasn't enough to maintain a Bluetooth connection. The third issue is common to many companies that do not have mobile app engineering in their wheelhouse.

Citizen discontinued the models. They have a real smartwatch now (https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/MX0008-56X.html) but it is not Eco-drive.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Pebble shutdown almost 8 years ago now and there does still not to be a replacement or alternative that can: last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch.

The Fossil Hybrid[1] series with the E-ink screens is by far my favorite "smartwatch" right now, and has a ~10 days battery (claimed 2 weeks). Does basic sports, heart and sleep tracking, shows notifications, customisable watchfaces and a bunch of other stuff I don't really care about. [1] https://www.fossil.com/en-ch/smartwatches/hybrid-smartwatche... Edit: it shows the time using physical arrows, so you have it acc…

Another great option, the Garmin's Vivoactive line (and some other models) isn't e-ink, it's a transflective LCD(? they call it Memory-In-Pixels (MIP)), that's always on. It's a great display that's usable in any light-level other than dark. Also a pretty good purpose-driven smart watch, especially if you want your smart watch to do things like have GPS and HR recording and integration with sports peripherals (like bike power meters, etc). Doesn't have great "apps", though. Battery life isn't two weeks, but it can easily last a week if you don't record any GPS, and a few days of normal wear + 6-8 hours of GPS recording during that period if you use it normally + exercise.

Unfortunately, the Vivoactive line seems to lag behind in tech from the product lines with the more traiditonal displays. So I've moved to the Venu line, which has an "always off" AMOLED display and better sensors. The display is also much more vibrant, but at the cost of being a lot harder to just glance at since it's usually off.

If they can bring the better sensors to a Vivoactive, I'd definitely go back to the always-on display it offers. I miss that always-on and much closer to e-ink style feel the transflective display has.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Pebble shutdown almost 8 years ago now and there does still not to be a replacement or alternative that can: last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch.

> last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch. Actually there is something that does that, my favorite watch: https://www.withings.com/us/en/steel-hr The battery lasts a month. The only thing which would improve it would be NFC payments, but one can't have it all. Also looks good IMO.

Well, that made me want one! These look pretty impressive.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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I don't remember the brand, but a smartwatch brand's activity feed was public, and the some military personnel bought these, and trained around the military bases, leaving nice outlines secret bases, complete with their GPS coordinates. Then that thing was banned, again IIRC.

That’s just what a default is. I think it was Fitbit? Fitbit got lame for me after. Every one’s feed was private even for basic info. It was unnecessary to make everything private by default for the average person except to combat all the blow back from the PR of that story and vocal people like many on here. It’s not disssimilar to how Cambridge Analytica gave FB an excuse to clamp down on their API and put much mor…

While I'm by no means an absolutist about not sharing personal information, I disagree in this case. Location data can be pretty sensitive and defaults are powerful. I don't want my location being shared by some device or website unless I've explicitly given it permission to do so.

It can be a tricky tradeoff. For example, I think the blowback around Apple AirTags and Find My Network is way overblown. But I do draw the line at sharing my location tracks and related absent checking a box somewhere in a menu.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Agree. I can’t wait to get a hold of the Soli radar chip from Google and put it inside of a Loodio.

After a web search I came to the conclusion those are actual things. I honestly thought you just made those words up.

=)

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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I've got Huawei Watch GT2 and it feels like I recharge it once a month. I was honestly quite positively surprised by it, having expected having to recharge every 2-3 days.

They advertise a two week battery life so you are probably having to charge it more frequently.

I am not wearing it every day, so it probably conserves energy when it's idle.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Pebble shutdown almost 8 years ago now and there does still not to be a replacement or alternative that can: last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch.

GPS is the real killer for battery life. If you turn the GPS off, there are a fair number of watches from companies like Garmin that probably fit the bill.

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Here you go: https://pine64.org/pinetime .

The specs of the device linked in OP aren't that far off the PineTime. Maybe if we ask very nicely we can get the source code and begin work on a PalmOS port!

Remarkably, source may not be needed: https://pmig96.wordpress.com/2021/09/08/pumpkin-os/

Re: The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil

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Pebble shutdown almost 8 years ago now and there does still not to be a replacement or alternative that can: last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch.

The Fossil Hybrid[1] series with the E-ink screens is by far my favorite "smartwatch" right now, and has a ~10 days battery (claimed 2 weeks). Does basic sports, heart and sleep tracking, shows notifications, customisable watchfaces and a bunch of other stuff I don't really care about. [1] https://www.fossil.com/en-ch/smartwatches/hybrid-smartwatche... Edit: it shows the time using physical arrows, so you have it acc…

A big downside is that in order to use the phone app, you need an online account with Fossil. Not sure if it is the same case with Garmin.

You can use some features with GadgetBridge, but you still need the account to initiate the server-based pairing.

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