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A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/pr... maybe?

Hydro is tough for a lot of reasons. It's pretty ecologically devastating, flooding large regions and turning fish into mulch. It can also produce as much climate impact as a fossil fuel plant - or more - largely due to methane and CO2 emissions from the newly flooded land. [1] I'm not 100% sure where the Quebec hydro mix actually lands due to the significant variability on a plant-by-plant basis, and I don't know if…

Do you have a source hydro turbines “turning fish in to mulch”? I’ve been around lots of hydro projects and the main hazards for fish seemed to be either dewatering of habitat due to turbines reducing flows too quickly or I heard it is bad for them if the dam uses the spill way and makes the water all aerated

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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I'm a bit surprised that Australia has no nuclear plants while other countries along the Pacific Rim already do. Any idea why it hasn't happened? Domestic opposition or lack of need before now?

Don't nuclear plants need vast amounts of water? Australia's kinda lacking that in the middle of the country.

Almost all largely populated areas in Australia are coastal.

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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Does anyone understand this? "Some of the main differences that the MMR has from conventional nuclear plants is that the reactor cannot meltdown as the heat is passively released into the environment..."

300MW is a lot of energy to passively release into the environment. Does this design really fail safe? And if so, how?

The Fukushima issues were caused (IIRC) by failure of the backup generators to run the cooling system after the reactors were shut down. Do these small reactors really not need any external power when in that state? And do they get into this state by default? I.e. do they shut themselves down without external power and if the control systems fail? That would seem to be a massive safety advantage if it's true.

I remember reading about UK magnox reactors where the graphite control rods were held above the core by electrically powered actuators and which were designed to fall into the core (and stop the reaction) if there was a power failure. Perhaps these reactors are similar.

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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Does anyone understand this? "Some of the main differences that the MMR has from conventional nuclear plants is that the reactor cannot meltdown as the heat is passively released into the environment..." 300MW is a lot of energy to passively release into the environment. Does this design really fail safe? And if so, how? The Fukushima issues were caused (IIRC) by failure of the backup generators to run the cooling sy…

This is all somewhat complicated.

Most modern designs claim that if you just switch everything off, the reactor is safe. This is either because having no machinery around the reactor working still makes it safe, or the few critical components have tons of redundancy, and everything is designed to be “broken”.

300MW is what the reactor produces with the moderators retracted. You put them in place and the reaction stops immediately. So you don’t need to cool 300MW passively. What you do have is the residual heat, and fission products decaying away and giving more heat. I’m not sure what power output that equates to, but far, far less than 300MW, and decreasing over time too as shorter-lived fission products go away.

Some major advantages of small reactors in this context:

- the ratio of volume (r^3) to surface area (r^2) is better so it’s easier to cool

- there is simply less bad stuff in any one reactor so the tail risks are smaller

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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Does anyone understand this? "Some of the main differences that the MMR has from conventional nuclear plants is that the reactor cannot meltdown as the heat is passively released into the environment..." 300MW is a lot of energy to passively release into the environment. Does this design really fail safe? And if so, how? The Fukushima issues were caused (IIRC) by failure of the backup generators to run the cooling sy…

For getting an intuition on it, I would recommend the clip from HBO’s Chornobyl which ELI5’s a nuclear meltdown. [1]

If the reactor is air cooled, that can be translated as “the heat can just burn off” as there isn’t a liquid cooling system, reducing this failure mode.

As mentioned in the video, reactions are about balance. If a ‘safe’ SMR gets shut off or has its systems fail, you would want the accelerators / enablers of the reaction to disappear, and roll out the reaction.

This is unlike most fission reactors in use today which are a ‘balanced dance’ where lots of the design is focused on reducing the speed of the burn (like a constant stream of water on a fire) rather than say controlling the oxygen of a fire with limited fuel. SMRs aim be more of the “control the oxygen” type of reaction rather than “keep the fire cool” kind of reaction. (Forgive my vast oversimplification, but this is my intuition on it).

[1] https://youtu.be/TmIEI4ky-Zc

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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Canada has them. Pretty much the same situation

Apart from the whole vastly-differing-amounts-of-water thing.

Nearly all of Australia's population centres are on the coast, Alice Springs being the most notable exception with a population of around 25k. And most of Australia's population is loosely clustered on or near the east coast, which already has a somewhat interconnected power grid (emphasis on sort of).

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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The background on Canada's plans for small modular reactors (of which this is just one of three projects) can be found here: https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Canadian-provinc... Supposedly this is promoting clean energy and fighting climate change, but the details don't always match this rhetoric. In particular they're thinking they can use nuclear power to replace piped-in natural gas to mine the Alberta…

Solar/wind/storage is always a better option as long as the storage solution isn't replaced by burn fossil fuel, which like the tarsand oil detail, is the kind of detail that sadly pop up in practically all places where the solar/wind/storage solution is being promoted. The fossil fuel need to stay in the ground.

I am fairly enthusiastic about both renewables and nuclear, but I am a bit pessimistic about storage. The holy grail would be green hydrogen as storage, and that has been the political aiming for in the last 10 years. However in the mean time, everyone just got to rely on that Russian gas and oil. Solar/wind/fossil fuel is the current model and I just can't get enthusiastic about that.

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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This is really exciting. I wish we had nuclear power here in Australia. I know I might get downvoted for this comment. But with advancement in technology and large amount nuclear fuel (Uranium deposit) available, it's a great choice. 1. Vast swathes of uninhabited land can absorb some of the risks/fears associated with a nuclear accident. With technology like this, the risks are even lower. 2. It's lot cleaner than c…

> Vast swathes of uninhabited land

ugh ffs : mabo was 30 yrs ago last month

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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My only question about nuclear is why is it okay to bury the nuclear waste?

I can understand that it might be fine to bury small amounts in specific stores but if countries slowly adopt nuclear energy at scale then over time won’t we be burying a lot of waste that, correct me if I’m wrong, has to be stored for thousands of years? I don’t understand how this can be sustainable long term. I also think it’s maybe arrogant of us to assume that it will always be safe to just store it and that something won’t happen that could disrupt that.

I’m no expert on this though so if someone has a great explanation I’d love to understand it.

Re: A first for Canada: New type of nuclear plant opening by 2028

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> "300 megawatts (MW) of electricity ... is enough energy to power 300,000 homes for one year."

This statement reflects the quality of the article.

There is nothing very interesting about SMRs. They are much more expensive than equivalent renewables, so they will only be built by coercion of ratepayers who would be better served by the alternative.

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