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Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Post by autoexec »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #59
kccoder wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the dignity of rape victims forced to carry, deliver, and raise the children of their rapists?

Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide. This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselves.

Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. Even before this ruling there are places where women's lives have been endangered because accessible clinics were forced to close.

No matter what state you are in, being an American citizen should guarantee you certain rights. Not being forced to give birth, and having access to healthcare should be among those rights. It's terrible that we've moved farther from that as a nation.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Post by drewbug01 »

mystique wrote: post #90

Can someone explain in non-legal way why the court believes an individual has right to decide whether they can wear a mask or not but not whether they can have a medical procedure or not? What's the main difference between these two?

The court has rapidly given itself over to partisanship in the last few years. That framework lends understanding to the seeming contradiction in their decisions.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Post by cato_the_elder »

autoexec wrote: post #91
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide. This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselves.

Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. Even before this ruling there are places where women's lives have been endangered because accessible clinics were forced to close. No matter what state you are in, being an American citizen should guarantee you certain rights. Not being forced t…

> Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy.

I sympathize with the concern about dignity of rape victims, but the second part of your assertion is incorrect: "At present, all states allow the procedure to preserve the life and health of the mother". [1] (That includes even the Texas law [2])

[1]: https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/abortion-laws-by-state-the...

[2]: "The act contains exceptions in the case of medical emergency, such as if the mother is at risk of death or severe irreversible bodily harm." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act)

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

#97

Post by TrispusAttucks »

autoexec wrote: post #91
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide. This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselves.

Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. Even before this ruling there are places where women's lives have been endangered because accessible clinics were forced to close. No matter what state you are in, being an American citizen should guarantee you certain rights. Not being forced t…

I don't think that is true.

Which states?

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

#98

Post by autoexec »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #52

FYI: This just takes abortion out of the purview of the federal government and makes it a states issue, as the constitution intended.

You say "just" but the fact is that no matter where in the country you are, being an American citizen should guarantee a person certain rights, such as access to critical medical care, or not being forced to give birth to your rapist's child. Several states have already demonstrated that they don't want their population to have those rights and even before this women's lives were endangered by their attempts to close clinics and limit their reproductive freedoms.

What we're bound to end up with are entire states of second class citizens who don't have the rights and protections of the rest of the nation. Where traveling within the country puts some of your most basic freedoms in question every time you cross a state border. Where your legal actions in one state can get you arrested or charged with a crime in another. There are very good reasons to have federal laws to keep a baseline standard of what rights and freedoms an American citizen has.

That this right has been overturned at a federal level will absolutely cause more suffering than it prevents. Even in those states where people will now be forced to live under religious law abortion will continue to take place just as it always has. The wealthy will simply fly to where it's accessible with little risk and the poor will resort to more dangerous methods just as they did before the right to seek an abortion was protected by federal law.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Post by spoils19 »

autoexec wrote: post #32
kccoder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should states also be allowed to legislate contraceptives, premarital sex, sex between same sex couples, ...? After all, none of those are guaranteed by the constitution either. What "rights" do you enjoy that aren't expressly guaranteed in the constitution that others might want to let states legislate away from you?

This is all I can imagine we'll end up with. Some states are going to force religious laws on their population and others will not. People will flee to states that don't oppress them and those states under religious law will continue to decline. The same way states that push abstinence only sex-ed see higher rates of teenage pregnancy those states that push fundamentalist religious law on the people will see more suf…

> those states under religious law will continue to decline.

Is there any evidence for this? I've met many people on this very site who live in "states under religious law" and the state is prosperous, with the added benefits of freedom and liberty compared to other states.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

autoexec wrote: post #98
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #52

FYI: This just takes abortion out of the purview of the federal government and makes it a states issue, as the constitution intended.

You say "just" but the fact is that no matter where in the country you are, being an American citizen should guarantee a person certain rights, such as access to critical medical care, or not being forced to give birth to your rapist's child. Several states have already demonstrated that they don't want their population to have those rights and even before this women's lives were endangered by their attempts to close…

Fortunately our nation is founded on a constitution and rule of law so that what "should" and "shouldn't" can be codified appropriately by the people.
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