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Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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why is this flagged?

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

And, to editorialize: news orgs, your favorite political blogs, and even Twitter will have better commentary than HN.

Edit: for example, the joking sibling comment.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Everyone agrees that rape is wrong, whereas ~80% of the US believes that abortion is okay under some circumstances (~30% under ANY circumstance). The reality is that this won't stop abortion, just safe abortions, so now we are going to have rape victims attempting to end their daily reminder of their rape, end up with a crooked back-alley doc butchering them. Many would consider that a wrong as well.

If abortion is the killing of an innocent human being, which is what the pro-life side asserts, there is no such thing as a "safe" abortion. Its important to understand where opponents of your view are coming from otherwise there will be a communication disconnect which helps noone.

I'm aware that many pro-life proponents anchor their beliefs in the idea life begins at conception, and therefore abortion is murder, but many (more?) people believe differently. I'm sympathetic to the concept that "abortion is murder" and anyone with that viewpoint should be 100% on board for doing everything we can to reduce the need for abortion, such as robust sex-education starting at an appropriate age (12 or 13), availability of contraception and counseling to discuss concerns, ... (these measures reduced abortions in Colorado). Unfortunately, many pro-lifers are also against contraception and sex education, and other measures which would reduce the need for abortions, which muddies their underlying intentions, and leads many to believe that their primary concern has more to do with controlling women and inflicting their religious beliefs on others.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

#54

Not sure this makes much of a difference. With the hurdles put in place by many state legislatures, it's kind of been in "states rights" territory for some time now.

Most of the those hurdles have been being shot down as unconstitutional until now. The loss of roe v wade could cause us to lose a lot of other rights too. Gay marriage may be next on the chopping block.

I don't have strong opinions about roe or gay marriage. I do have strong opinions against kritarchy. Right or wrong, I don't like the idea of the Yale law school sharia council overriding the will of the electorate. It may have worked for you in recent history, but as they say, "past performance is not indicative of future results."

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Only a woman can truly understand what it means to be pregnant, to give birth, to bring a new life into being. A man might have a possessive, proprietary attitude about it, but it's a removed and intellectual understanding at best. A woman understands it from her gut, from her body.

To hear men pontificating about how women should behave is ludicrous, and sad.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Japan would do better if birth control was banned? They don't need more unwanted children. If they actually need population, they can increase immigration or incentivize and encourage people to both have and want children. Maybe not work people to death so much so they have time to spend on romance and families.

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Obviously "a jungle with no people" is ridiculous hyperbole. They've tried a few minor things without reforming the cultural issues that have contributed to the decline in births. What difference does it make if the people they bring in aren't ethnicity Japanese? Are you concerned that the Japanese will die out like an endangered species? On a long enough timeline, all ethnicities are doomed, but there's no genuine concern that that will happen to the japanese any time soon.

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Do you realize the egregiousness of what you're saying? Any child at any cost under any circumstance is not in any shape or form a net good that can be said without any proof. Could you point to a country that has gotten better after reversing the freedom to receive an abortion?

Better for who? The children who are alive and otherwise wouldn’t be are doing better. It also increases the total population and GDP so it’s better on a geopolitical level.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

#59
post #11

If SCOTUS indeed overturns Roe v. Wade, it would be a great day for human dignity and sanctity of innocent lives in the US.

What about the dignity of rape victims forced to carry, deliver, and raise the children of their rapists?

Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide.

This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselves.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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post #55

If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Only a woman can truly understand what it means to be pregnant, to give birth, to bring a new life into being. A man might have a possessive, proprietary attitude about it, but it's a removed and intellectual understanding at best. A woman understands it from her gut, from her body. To hear men pontificating about how women should behave is ludicro…

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