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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Was the stigma against short men a thing before online dating where everyone had to post their heights publicly? I remember in my teens/early 20s - before dating apps were a thing - having several much shorter friends than me that were much more popular with the ladies.

Women have always preferred tall men - it is innate.

I remember women in old movies from the 1960s refer to "tall, dark, and handsome men".

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Can you explain where the "extra" bone matter comes from? The article said the bone gets cut and it wasn't clear if it get cut through and then two halves are shifted away from each other or the cut is more on an incision into the bone and the the bone just gets stretched by this device.

Broken is cut/chiseled in half. Then the nail is inserted into the bone (my femur) up near the top. The "extra" bone comes from the body's natural healing mechanism. If you pull the bone apart slowly enough, the body forms a continuous connection of new bone in the gap. I did 1mm a day, I think.

What actually happens is that the new bone material is initially gelatinous, so as you lengthen the gap, the gelatinous material is elongated and doesn't harden (at least not in the in the middle of the gap).

The rate of hardening and the rate of gap extension should be optimized to create the best bone quality. I wonder if then science to find the correct balance has been done.

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I’m 5’7” and have had no problems meeting women. There is a lot that goes into this, but I found that the single biggest factor in attracting the opposite sex was appropriating a violent, devil-may-care attitude. When it comes to the primal question of “Will this guy be capable of defending me / my offspring” taller guys are given the benefit of the doubt whereas I literally have something to prove.

On the other hand - maybe that wouldn't be necessary if you were taller.

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Why wouldn't they? They published a lot of very interesting anonymized stats back then. Would you rather not know?

I think from their perspective, publishing it was a mistake. A lot of companies publish anonymized user stats but usually they don't say or mean a whole lot. I'm pretty sure OkCupid didn't intend to get in the middle of a hot political topic and prove that the incel movement might have a point. I imagine a lot of tech companies are holding on to some extremely volatile truths about society that they do not want becom…

I think it was in times when OkCupid had a soul bacause original founder was still with them (or at least his spirit). And his goal was for people to better understand each other and themselves not just suck up cash from the hornies.

I completely agree with you that's completely insane decision from the point of view of soulless corp that just wants to suck people dry.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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The problem with your comment is that it classifies short stature as a bad negative trait. In my humble opinion, except in pathological cases, short stature is a normal thing. It should not even be a subject of mockery because being short is not bad or negative or tragic. If a person is healthy, functional, fit and he is 5'4, I don't see why that is viewed negatively in modern society and it is mocked for, like being…

I didn’t say anything in the sort. I said I don’t poke at peoples immutable characteristics, period. Are you just looking to be offended? And no for what it’s worth… short people do not run, jump, or fight the same. We could play an anecdote game all day where you find the best historical examples, and i counter them, but let’s not. There are things that make us different, be ok with that, because you sure as hell ca…

Sorry it came off as offensive to you. I didn't mean to be offensive and in fact the majority of my reply is not directly to you but I was just talking more generally about society mocking normal people with short stature which seems a bit absurd and meaningless to me. Your comment just gave the initial context for the idea to develop. But I understand your point of not mocking people on immutable traits which sounds very reasonable and wise.

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I honestly think a lot of men just don't like women, or at least don't respect them. Maybe it's because I was exposed to a lot of sexism in my CS undergrad (and even some jobs I've had), but it really does seem like some men think of women as inferior.

This is not really a response to what I said but I will agree sexism is a huge problem

I mean, you're basically stating that women are objects to fulfill the needs of men so it's pretty clearly a response to what you're saying.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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> We've beaten evolution. It's an impossibility. Evolution is by definition something we can't escape. > Modern science, medicine, and society means evolutionary pressures can be ignored No. It means evolutionary pressure will increase and accelerate. Modern science will allow couples to genetically alter/select for best embryos. It will be a genetic arms race to produce the taller, faster, smarter, healthier, etc ch…

It means evolutionary pressure will increase and accelerate. Modern science will allow couples to genetically alter/select for best embryos. It will be a genetic arms race to produce the taller, faster, smarter, healthier, etc children People choosing which traits to optimize for isn't evolutionary pressure. Evolution is a very specific mechanism that optimizes through random mutation. Choosing what to optimize for,…

> People choosing which traits to optimize for isn't evolutionary pressure.

It sure is. Look up selection or selection pressure ( another name for evolutionary pressure ).

> Evolution is a very specific mechanism that optimizes through random mutation.

Random mutations are meaningless without selection pressure. It's the selection that drives evolution not random mutations. You could have evolution without any mutations - the environment could change which selects for certain existing traits.

> We could select for anything through science and tech.

Which is called evolution. You seem to have a misunderstanding of what evolution is. Evolution isn't only "natural selection". Artifical selection exists. For example, dogs evolved from wolves by human/artificial selection, not "natural" selection. Regardless, it is still evolution.

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

This problem in online dating doesn't just apply to the single physical characteristic of height. It's a clusterfuck of ticking boxes and underdeveloped expectations. A 5 year old boy might tick "no girls", while a 14 year old boy might tick "big boobs", and a 30 year old man might tick "good education and stable job." It's as if we all go into it like ordering at a Burger King, except Have it your way (tm) comes out…

Yeah where's the checkbox for stable, and for realistic expectations!

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I'm somewhere between 5' 7" and 5' 8". I've experienced the "filter" issue with online dating, but my conclusions are entirely different. I really don't mind it, in fact I appreciate it. Anyone who would filter me out over something as shallow as height would undoubtedly be an extraordinarily poor match for me. I prefer quality over quantity. As to the "die alone" thing - that seems a bit grim. I'm 46, since age 14 w…

The problem with this mindset is that it sort of punishes woman for a perception thrust upon them since childhood. If you think its possible to meet some of these woman and convince them to say “I’m glad I took a chance despite your short stature because it turned out I don’t mind it at all” then I think it’s worthwhile to “help them see the light.” Plus, since this is a societal problem primarily it means you’d also…

That is a very confusing comment to me.

I'm punishing women who are rejecting me?

I honestly don't even know how to parse or think about that.

Are they entitled to date me, even though they've communicated a clear preference not to, and I'm somehow punishing them by not convincing them that, no I'm a really great guy, really...?

Or is it that I'm such a valuable gem that these helpless women who, through no fault of their own are deeply attracted to tall, dark and handsome, must be rescued from that to date me, short, old and bald - because ... ?

Honestly, I really don't get it.

Everything isn't a societal problem. Some people value certain physical characteristics. Those people tend to be a terrible match for me.

I'm happier with people who value my humor, personality and the way I treat them.

It's not any more complicated than that.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Why is women demeaning men for being short a symptom of the patriarchy?

It's an example of the harms that emerge from hidebound gender roles, preconceptions about the desirability of male dominance and female submission, and stultified ideals of attractiveness. Just as women benefit when society learns to accept and appreciate a wider variety of body types, so do men.

Thats not a patriarchy thing, it's a gender assumptions thing.

Calling it patriarchy is just another in the long stream insults to maleness that has become common, in the worst sense of the word common.

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