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Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#491

The Green Revolution of the 1960s proved that we could - that Malthusian claims were BS. What we have now is those same Malthusians actively sabotaging the roots of the Green Revolution by shutting down energy and means of production. Technically mass murder.

> Malthusian claims were BS The Green Revolution merely raised the ceiling massively higher. It did not perform any magic to make it permanently vanish.

Women choosing to have less children is the other half of the failed mass starvation predictions. World’s population will peak this century and start to decline. We currently produce enough food to feed 10 billion, if waste is accounted for.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#492

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Do bluegills taste any good?

It's not dissimilar from tilapia; mild flavored whitefish. It's not as flavorful or tender as trout, but better than catfish.

Maybe we are eating different fish. Stocked trout is pretty bland and somewhat mushy. I've never had truly wild trout, so maybe they are better. The bluegills here taste a lot better than farmed tilapia (do they even sell wild?) - mild, a little sweet, and flakes well. I agree bluegills are better than catfish, but depending on the catfish I prefer them over tilapia.

I hear that water quality and, to a lesser extent, water chemistry has a huge impact on taste. I've sort of noticed that in certain lakes compared to others.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#493

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Do bluegills taste any good?

There are better-tasting fish, but yes.

That's probably a personal preference or maybe due to water quality. They're one of my favorite. There's a great TED talk our there about water quality and fish flavor, but I don't remember the person.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#494

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> Wtf happened with the chemical industry in general?

Don't look now, but the same thing that happened to quite literally every single important industry critical to human survival. It's all incredibly centralized and fragile, to a degree I don't think many even begin to realize.

> Why don't we have more, spread around the world, and capable of slight over-production just in case?

Money.

> or we're all just "green" and "bio" and stuff now, willing to let poorer people just suffer hunger?

Nope, just money. Would have been far "greener" and "bio" and stuff if we had actually invested in such infrastructure, even if more expensive.

This ironically enables the current historically cheap food situation we're currently in. In no time in human history has less labor or wealth per capita been put into food production.

> While we're it, I still can't wrap my head of the stupidity of all those charities that work to "solve hunger" in Africa and places but can't ever bother to help them pool investment

This is definitely one of my pet peeve rants as well. I've always said these organizations are likely to cause more death and human suffering than anything that has come before it. As soon as the ships of grain stop sailing whenever a moderate disruption finally happens (60-70 years of peace is really just a minor blip on the radar), people very rapidly will starve with little local recourse or knowledge to fall back on.

Teach a man to fish and all that.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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So far at posting time I don't see a whole lot of signal to gain from the noise here if I were legitimately someone who had zero agriculture experience and was trying to gain understanding. This is the blind leading the blind, and if you gleaned much from the top comments you'd be worse informed than not reading this entire thread. Half of the posts are just political using couched language to pretend they aren't. Ag…

> Ag is definitely one of HNs blind spots I met a young man from Missouri.. he had a large frame but was just 20 years old or so.. He was harried and furtive and was getting into some trouble here and there. Upon knowing him a little bit, he was traumatized by large, loud, dominant men giving him orders, while as an intelligent young man he had questions. Of course many of the men I refer to here are from the Ag comm…

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Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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I mean, we have been depleting soil fertility through the use of synthetic fertilizers for decades. It’s been a self-destructive cycle. Perhaps some farmers might switch to practices that are not so dependent upon as much to external inputs … but even switching to things like no-till or using local inputs like manure, or using soil-regenerating practices like polycropping or integrated pest-control is going to take t…

> It’s doable though. The Cubans have been operating their agriculture without imported oil and fertilizers since the US shut down imports. That also meant that use of tractors became limited, as are long-distance transport for food.

This resulted in widespread food insecurity, with the Cuban government rationing food to UN poverty levels [1]. Cuba also experienced food shortages due to COVID [2]. Cuba's agricultural experience is not a very good case for organic farming.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Period#Caloric_intake_...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/07/12/cubas-f...

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#497

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I'm from the U.S., and I was actually raised with a somewhat similar view of food waste. But my parents were born in the 30s. Many of my contemporaries had parents born in the 40s or 50s, and their attitudes were very different. I was over at a friend's house a few years ago, and she had prepared lunch for her daughter. When her daughter complained she didn't like it, my friend threw the whole plate food in the trash…

Your friend's kid sounds spoiled tbh.

Or you could stop making food you know the kid won't eat.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#499

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>3 acre hobby farm I've been thinking about getting a hobby farm as well. Do you have any recommendations on where to start or tips? I can't even tell if I can just buy a plot of land in some unincorporated area and use it for whatever I see fit (CA).

UC has tons of classes and workshops on farming/gardening you can take, ranging from weekend workshops to apprenticeships to online courses to hands on training. Or honestly there are tons of forums and internet communities that have lots of free resources and advice if you look for them. https://ucanr.edu/sites/UrbanAg/Resources_and_Help/Farm_Trai...

Thanks for the link! I think I'm also interested in learning the logistics and legal aspect as well. I feel there are tons of resources out there on how to grow things, but not a lot on how to find land, what you need to look out for, etc. I've seen quite a lot of YouTube videos on this topic and I feel like I'm still missing quite a lot of info.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#500
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I've found that you need come into HN comments with a baseline amount of skepticism and then increase skepticism the further the topic strays from being purely about software development.

Even then, the things software developers believe about their own profession should be taken with a grain of salt.

Hence the baseline skepticism :)
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