I agree with the general idea here but there are some opinions here I can't get behind. > Individuals blessed with high degrees of industriousness and orderliness will build sophisticated media diets, note-taking systems, and automated archiving pipelines much more effectively than those less blessed with these traits. I can tell you by nature I am not a smart organized person but implementing certain systems in my l…
I think what the quote is saying is that naturally organized people are the ones who build all these management systems. For them, they work because they are naturally organized; pretty much any system will work. Because they lack this insight, they think they found the One True Way, but for people less naturally organized, every system will be a burden, including this One True Way.
Personal Knowledge Management Is Bullshit
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#12Anyone sharing a picture of their graph, or who even pretends to navigate/look at the graph as a graph in any useful way, is definitely a bullshitter. In my experience, the graph is just a consequence that is sometimes pretty to look at, and that's it. But what is it a consequence of ? I think there is a ton of value in taking notes (probably more value than in having notes), so what I get out of Obsidian, my PKM too…
Yep. Graphs are not "scalable" unless the visual elements are meaningful in themselves; they are mostly for "feeling-good-about-oneself" --- "look at all the notes I took and linked!".
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#13The author is lumping all KGs together. The term also applies to KGs that help run Google, Meta, etc. Good tech for using disparate data sources.
Personal KGs? Then I agree more with the author. Perhaps the problem is companies like Roam reusing existing terms?
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#14So why don't all my web browser keep a complete copy of everything I have viewed (ok maybe not those sites) - so I an do a text search for "that thing about female doctor who was first ever".
Partly because if I had that on my local disk I would not need to go to the google home page. More fairly that particular search has been followed by X thousand previous people and Voogle knows how many ended up finding something useful.
But this does not solve for Outlook. The second biggest search opportunity surely is corporate emails. Gmail must have shown the outlook product managers how to do search ... 15 years ago. Yet it is still clunky unintuitive slow and frequently wrong.
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#15I hope this isn't true, hah. I don't really invest in any existing PKMs but i nevertheless spend a fair bit of time writing the foundation of my own. Regardless of the implementation, i want something to archive and/or retain (in the working memory sense) my conclusions. As without repetition i feel like a majority of what i read, and any conclusions therein, evaporate. Maybe the author would argue that if i want to…
I'm in a similar but different boat: my brain remembers the conclusion but discards all of the "useless" details used to arrive there. This works fine on a personal level, but when someone challenges your position, you find yourself unable to defend it because all of the supporting details have long since evaporated.
So PKM might be useful to archive away the details after you reach a conclusion.
I highly, highly recommend having your own private wiki. It is the 80/20 sweet spot of PKM.
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#16I can find anything very quickly. When search fails me because I forgot a vendor name or something, I just navigate the folders.
No software required other than what comes with Windows.
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#17I use Windows Explorer. Simple folder names like work, with subfolders for employers. Another folder for car, identity, one for medical, another for my son with subfolders for reports, pictures he drew, etc. I can find anything very quickly. When search fails me because I forgot a vendor name or something, I just navigate the folders. No software required other than what comes with Windows.
My GF's grandmother was very confused when we didn't know what database (sic!) she has on her computer, she said every computer has it... and then she has shown us her perfect categorization of documents into folders... We (both programmers) felt very dumb that day :-)
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#18* We have different knowledge consumption habits. I consume a lot of snippets on the internet during the day and then consume books via an eReader, which allows me to dump the highlights straight to Roam. He prefers purely physical books and takes his own notes instead of capturing direct quotes.
* He is visio-spatial and I am verbal. He needs to draw, move, and position things (whiteboards everywhere!). Roam is useless for this.
* I tend to do more convergent thinking - I take in a lot of info from a lot of sources which, when thinking about the problem, tends to snap into view for me as something new. This works well in Roam because I can reference/quote things from across many areas rapidly.
> The concept of the Knowledge Graph deserves the classification of bullshit because its allure derives primarily from the false impression that it can mechanistically deliver—or substitute for—the brute, linear willfulness that defines all non-trivial writing.
This particular critique stood out as a bit strange to me, and maybe it is simply a difference and how my brain and the author’s brain works, but writing is linear (on a page) but the content gathering and referencing is not, which is where I find it most helpful. I brute force the narrative/story, but fill in with the details more slowly and with more references.
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#19I take notes relentlessly with Obsidian and I'll honestly never go back. I would have been more stubborn about this earlier on in my career. Now I realize that I've probably forgotten more over time than I ever would have imagined so I realized having good notes is critical for me. I end up looking up answers on stack overlflow and then realize I wrote them. To each their own.
Can you recommend a workflow for obsidian? Or some pointers for resources. I am struggling to "get" how to take notes with it and I am feeling a lot of friction
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#20I completely agree with this, I'm not an organised person, I rarely write TODO lists, yet in Emacs with Org-Roam I thought I would be highly productive because I would start writing notes and linking them together or whatever magic Org-Mode has inside Emacs (if I can even be bothered to write a TODO list in the first place);
But I don't think Org-Roam is for me, I rarely wrote TODO lists even before using Org-Roam, and I'd have never heard of Zettelkasten or whatever until trying out Org-Roam, you could say that I'm not an organised person, and that is true, but I don't care.
Using a Zettelkasten system for people like me isn't going to work, it will never feel right to be honest, in the first place before trying it out I didn't want any of this stuff anyway, I don't need a graph linking notes together, I'm a simple man, just write a few notes sometimes.