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Re: Show HN: I am building a free version of Strava

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I'm an avid cyclist and I pay for Strava premium. I really like a lot of the things Strava offers and also have a lot of dislikes. I've thought about making a competing product and also offering it for free or at least much cheaper. It sounds easy at first, but there is so much Strava does. When you go in depth, no wonder Strava is an actual company and not 3 geeks and their spare time.

For serious athletes, Strava offers quite a lot and segment competition is a very small thing. I'd go as far as to argue that for this slice of customers, segments are just for fun and there are other real reasons to use it. Here's a quick overview of the things I find valuable that I wouldn't want to go without:

- Big community, with automatic ride grouping (showing rides together in the feed when you ride with other people). Ability to social network by leaving comments, adding photos, writing a story and so on.

- In depth (although I would love some more) ability to analyze your own performance: plot comparisons between segment rides by time; compare your power curves (W / duration) across different time spans; track your running PRs (1k, 1mi, 5k, 10k, 1/2 and full marathons);

- Calculate TSS (training stress score) per ride and per week in order to track training stress. Also supports tracking weekly duration, distance and so on. This is done based on HR during the exercise, I believe there are well known formulas. - Integration with a bunch of external services. I want the rides I track with my Garmin devices that end up in Garmin Connect to automatically end up in Strava. There's a thing called tapiriik (https://tapiriik.com/) that could be helpful here, it's also open source.

- Very nice route planner. There are other services for that (e.g. Komoot), but Strava is able to incorporate their data trove to make smart routings. When I make a route in Strava it also ends up on my Garmin devices, which is extra nice. No transferring GPX files left and right. The fact that it's built-in, easy to use and "right there" makes it quite an attractive option.

- Nice API. I hate that Strava is adding more and more limitations to it, but some of the local cycling groups use it to organize group rides and it works quite well. I believe any competitors will need to outdo Strava in terms of API coverage and limitations.

- Fitness & Freshness graphs, ability to create training plans, ride cropping, exploration ... many other things I don't use daily, but they're just there.

One should also probably read up on previous efforts in that sphere. Endomondo used to be pretty big, but then kinda just fizzled out. There's Ride with GPS and a bunch of others, but nothing on the scale of Strava. Why? I don't have a clear answer, it's probably a multitude of factors, even product timing.

As a daily user (7 workouts / week), group ride organizer and outdoor person, I'd be happy to discuss Strava and its alternatives further.

Re: Show HN: I am building a free version of Strava

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It looks like a cool project but I'd not describe it as a "free Strava" as the most common features of Strava are free and the value of it is the community. Getting motivated by seeing your friends finish activities seems to be the biggest selling point (apart from supporting a lot of different sports, not specifically mountain biking) of Strava.

I'd agree I don't think of this as a "free strava" -- that was for getting attention.

Does anyone know if Strava is profitable or if it is still burning cash? Tough business - I started using it in the early days and was happy to be a paying customer when they started offering that. (A) to help fund more services and (B) I hate the free software model which I realize Strava was originally as they bootstrapped a user base.

Re: Show HN: I am building a free version of Strava

#28

What are the key differentiators to get me to use this over Strava where people already are? A quick look and some MTB specific metrics like hangtime? A killer feature for Strava (or anyone in the social activity game) would be allowing me to setup social rides with my followers/friends. For example, I plan on doing this loop at 8am Saturday - and anyone who follows can hit ‘+1’ and let me know I’ll join. Where I liv…

Planning ahead, either for myself or to organize group rides/runs, is #1 on my wishlist for Strava.

Re: Show HN: I am building a free version of Strava

#29

related: https://intervals.icu/ Gets data from strava.

Woah this looks cool! I use a chrome extension (elevate for Strava) that gives you lots of additional stats but this seems to have even more.

intervals.icu is fabulous and 100% worth paying to support the single dev who runs it.

Re: Show HN: I am building a free version of Strava

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post #27
post #4

It looks like a cool project but I'd not describe it as a "free Strava" as the most common features of Strava are free and the value of it is the community. Getting motivated by seeing your friends finish activities seems to be the biggest selling point (apart from supporting a lot of different sports, not specifically mountain biking) of Strava.

I'd agree I don't think of this as a "free strava" -- that was for getting attention. Does anyone know if Strava is profitable or if it is still burning cash? Tough business - I started using it in the early days and was happy to be a paying customer when they started offering that. (A) to help fund more services and (B) I hate the free software model which I realize Strava was originally as they bootstrapped a user…

afaik they are sponsoring the tour de france this year so they have some marketting money to burn
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