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Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

louwrentius wrote: post #138
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have not seen anything about 90 sick-days in any contract with an employer ever, even when I was still a regular 'waged' employee Have you checked your national insurance conditions? In Austria this also isn't in any employment contract because it's ratified in the national health insurance agreement everyone working here must have, which limits everyone to 90 days sick leave but many people don't know this and t…

Forget about the 90 days, it doesn’t apply to NL. https://dutchreview.com/expat/sick-leave-netherlands/ The two years I mentioned are right.

From the link you posted, I find this baffling that this is allowed in Europe.

>Some Dutch workplaces include “no-pay waiting days” (loonvrije wachtdagen) — these are the first one or two days of your sickness where the employer is not obliged to pay wages.

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by mywittyname »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #162
vinay_ys wrote: post #95

In most tech companies you can negotiate a lower number of days per week for lesser pay. In the last two decades I've been in the industry, I knew very junior people (early in their career) and very senior people doing 3-4 day workweek due to personal reasons in pretty much every company I worked in. It wasn't a big deal. Ability to take 3-6 month long unpaid breaks (sabbaticals), 4 weeks of PTOs, plus sick/carer lea…

> In most tech companies you can negotiate a lower number of days per week for lesser pay I don't think most companies will let you. I tried to negotiate this many times in the past for engineers and it was never successful. Even for companies that otherwise were very flexible or knew that a 4 day work week was the only way to afford someone they wanted to hire. Many tech companies will do this and its worth asking.…

The impression I've always gotten was that you can't get this up front, but you can negotiate for it eventually. The past few places I've worked had part-time people, but they all seemed to be AAA employees that the company was happy to bend over backwards to keep.

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by Sinidir »

adalu wrote: post #125

I'd be more interested in 2 or 3 day weeks, optionally up to 7. And 100% remote. I've been or still am self-employed and what I like about that is that I can work when I have the brainjuice to work and not work when I have no brain for it. I do Go on the backend, Vue mostly on the front. Angular in the past. Some experiments with React and Svelte. Sometimes I do classic websites (in Go). Self-employed in Germany, but…

Any tips for starting self-employment? Always dreamed of doing that, atleast for a while. But trying to find clients seems the most daunting. Also can you give some insight into your work schedule and coordinating that with clients(in terms of flexibility)? Thank you.

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by throw1138 »

philmcp wrote: post #103

For companies offering 4 day week jobs in Europe @ full salary, try: https://4dayweek.io/remote-jobs/europe There are currently ~100 companies on the platform atm but I have a backlog of new companies to add and see more companies every day And @HN, if your company is open to 4 days @ 80% salary, please get in touch :)

Thanks for 4dayweek.io! Quick bit of feedback: It's the only job site I check regularly that doesn't have a feed I can subscribe to (that I could find, anyway). It's made worse by having to scroll past the same group of prioritized listings every time I visit. Would really appreciate some improvement here <3

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by Tepix »

avion23 wrote: post #132
nkmnz wrote: post #27

In Germany, employers with more than 15 employees cannot deny the request of an employee to work only part-time without a strong reason (e.g. the company cannot operate without you because you are the only employee with a specific license). That said, it’s difficult to be a remote employee vs. a remote freelancer because of taxes and insurance law.

Be careful. I've done that. They don't lower the meeting load. The overhead is fixed. Also they want to 'own' you. It's a question of power. They felt personally insulted

I've done it in two companies and it wasn't an issue.

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by Tepix »

mhitza wrote: post #108
egman_ekki wrote: post #50

At Automattic, you can do 4 days à 10 hours with 100% pay, 4 days à 8 hours with 80% pay, or 3 days à 8 hours with 60% pay. https://automattic.com/work-with-us/

I think 4 days at 10 hours is the worst possible arrangement for both employer and employee. I'm curios, isn't there anyone that would prefer a 5 day 6 hour work schedule instead?

Yes i did that for several years. It's great if you have kids.

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by Tepix »

What i'd like to see is a job that lets me work part time and be super flexible about it. E.g. i may be offline for 4 days and then work 7 days in a row.

Obviously it would require that i can work on things without being able to contact my colleagues at times (like weekends).

Has anyone seen such an arrangement?

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

zerkten wrote: post #154
rr808 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow I've never heard of this. I'm in NYC though. Is this in SV or generic tech? I'd love to take sabbaticals every year or two.

Some people negotiate 4-day weeks with the same pay across all industries, but I'd say it's overall less common than the person you replied to. People like to talk about exotic work schedules and the like, but fewer actually make demands for it. Those that try it revert for different reasons, including the rest of the team operating without reasonable consideration. Where I've seen this be successful is when the pers…

> I suspect [a sabbatical]'ll be hard to negotiate

In France (since the question was about Europe) sabbaticals are part of the Labour Law and companies must provide them.

Re: Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?

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Post by thomasahle »

vkazanov wrote: post #14
thomasahle wrote: post #6

I like 4-day weeks, but what I would like even more is a month consecutive vacation a year. (Which is just 20-23 days off, rather than the ~50 Fridays every year.) This is pretty common places in Europe like France or Denmark (where you must take at least three weeks consecutive vacation.) Is this something any US companies are advertising?

At Bumble we have: - an unlimited PTO (you'd have to explain going beyond, say, 4 weeks, but otherwise working) - mandatory 2 payed weeks off (1 in December and 1 in Jun) - mostly remote using the "office-hub" model, only requiring presence when necessary - every 2 weeks there something we call a Focus Friday, when nobody can contact you and you are free to concentrate on things you want to work on. This covers all o…

> mandatory 2 payed weeks off

Mandatory PTO is the best. That way you don't have fomo, no pressure to work whole on vacation and no catching up to do when you're back.

I'd like to work somewhere with more mandatory vacation.

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