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Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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I make a distinction between "Plastic" and "Carbon Fibre Reinforced Polymer with a magnesium roll cage" that this laptop uses. We don't think an aluminium bike is better than a carbon fibre bike, so why is an aluminium laptop better than a carbon fibre laptop? I mean aluminium has some nice advantages like heat dissipation but CFRP allows for much lighter laptops. If anything I prefer CRFP because of the weight advan…

> We don't think an aluminium bike is better than a carbon fibre bike Depends on how you define better. Carbon bikes are prone to catastrophic failure, and if you fall often are a bad idea. Of course, you might just say "just don't fall".

Aluminum bikes are just as prone to failure, and in fact are less likely to be left in a repairable state after an accident. A dent or a crack in the frame ofter renders it useless.

True of carbon as well, but they can be repaired in some cases; aluminum frames almost always need to be scrapped.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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I use EFTSTUB with Arch Linux and I agree about it taking up more of your time. However, for me, this was all the very start to first set it up. Since then, it’s been smooth sailing. I also use multiple kernels and I have had issues with kernel updates, and no issues with kernel parameters. However, there is friction with creating separate entries and so I created a very simple shell script to save my commands. I’ve…

Sure, it's common to have it working for a long time, because breaking changes and interactions between different systems occur very infrequently at the level of bootloader and firmware, but when it happens it can easily get into very difficult support situation. Logistically speaking, firmware is not a nice place to play around. It's not well coded, not well tested, and rarely "used" by an end user. For one I wouldn…

> Also Windows' reboot options and its annual upgrade tend to mess with the boot variables. I had to help repair colleagues' laptops that had Grub's boot entries erased by Windows upgrades.

I'm mostly a Windows user, and this has never happened in my experience: at worst Windows might reorder the UEFI boot options, or change the default boot option, but it has never overwritten or erased an entry.

At worst they are still available in the F12 boot menu.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Don't use Grub or any bootloader if you can avoid it. I haven't used Grub in 10 years. Load Linux directly as an EFI executable via the EFISTUB approach. You almost certainly only need to run two or three efibootmgr commands to accomplish this. For most people that means only the "Using UEFI directly" section is relevant. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB S3 suspend was removed as a default option by many hard…

I see that you can use systemd as a boot loader (UEFI only). I've never tried it, but would like to set it up. The Arch wiki (of course) has info on it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-boot

I highly recommend that option, even if you use an Ubuntu based distribution: in 2022, there's no reason to still use grub on a UEFI system.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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> We don't think an aluminium bike is better than a carbon fibre bike Depends on how you define better. Carbon bikes are prone to catastrophic failure, and if you fall often are a bad idea. Of course, you might just say "just don't fall".

Yes, honestly, a good aluminium frame is preferable to carbon for 90% of people. The small tradeoff in weight and vibration/stiffness characteristics is really not worth the loss in structural integrity, money, and peace of mind.

Modern carbon frames are designed with structural integrity in mind, the frame-building process allows more fine-tuning than aluminum. Aluminum's best quality is it's value, you can wreck one and buy another and still have spent less than a low-grade CF frame.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Plastic is often a better material for laptops: - It's light - It's a bit more durable (or perhaps forgiving) when it comes to drops and dents - It's less expensive - If the laptop is built properly (not always a guarantee) it's just a sturdy

Your first argument maybe is true but in the overall comparisons these laptops are heavier. Forgiving for drops and dents? Yeah, I’ll give you that. Carbon fiber is durable, not scratch proof though. Less expensive, yes, and you get those discounts bleeding into the components they use and the specs. Spec a high end Dev machine and compare with MacBook offering and it’s not even close. System76 is getting there, but…

> Your first argument maybe is true but in the overall comparisons these laptops are heavier.

No?

X1 Nano: 907g

Macbook Air 13: 1290g

So just 70% percent of the weight.

X1 Carbon: 1120g

Macbook Pro 14: 1600g

Again 70%.

So they are much lighter, not just a little.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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You could do 2x 4K displays with compression over a DisplayLink dock. Probably fine for UI stuff, maybe for video, not great for gaming. The newer 14" and 16" models would drive them natively (or 2x 6K + 1x 4K with the higher end SoC) but then it's not much of a fair comparison by price. The single external display limit is only on the basic "M1" processor and not any of the Pro/Max/Ultra followups. https://danielcom…

The latency on DisplayLink drives me crazy. Completely unusable for me, unfortunately, it's become difficult to find docks which don't use DisplayLink :/

Have you tried it on m1? I'm running a 4k at 60hz and 3440x1440 at 75hz and they are fine - I don't think I notice any latency issues at all

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Not surprised your ThinkBook is beating the M1 MacBook since you crippled the Mac with 8GB of RAM.

I don't want to sound too snarky, but I don't think you got the point of my post. I love the M1, it's a great work machine, I have very few complaints about it. I hardly ever hit 100% memory usage, and if I do - it's thanks to either Chrome/Spotify/Teams/Slack/Discord. I think - and this might be a bit controversial - the ThinkBook is better... because it is. The M1 is a great chip, awesome thermals (no fan!), but th…

To each their own. I'd have spec'ed that MacBook Pro out to 16GB though. I don't do Windows and I have on-prem cloud VMs (config'd for 32GB) for Linux. I don't need a Linux desktop (shudder!) either. I'm sure your THinkBook is great, but I prefer the Apple ecosystem and the "shit just works" of my Mac (although I'm still on an i9).

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Not surprised your ThinkBook is beating the M1 MacBook since you crippled the Mac with 8GB of RAM.

A 'Pro' device shouldn't be sold with crippled specs.

That's absolutely true. I'd say it's a marketing failure on Apple's part.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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It does not appear to be a good-faith question or at least there does not appear to be a true effort to understand it. FWIW, I use pointing stick and the poster's analogy is the one I wish I could've used for decade - it is friendly and detailed and perfectly represents my use case and feelings (and is much better explanation than my own sibling comment, which was admittedly more of a "over my dead body" :). Like key…

Thank you for providing a useful answer, despite not believing it was posted in good faith. You might be right about other producers still making sticks. I haven't been in the market for a few years. What should I have done differently to make it appear as a true effort to understand?

I'm a random stranger on the internet, so with no intent on telling you how to live or interact :), My own limited biased subjective 0.0005 cents:

1. Original question: "Who's still using this?" is direct and to the point; I grok it. But note that some people in many contexts may interpret it... aggressive. Human mind fills in detail in blunt / short sentences. Politeness in some cases is filling in those blanks pre-emptively. Uncharitable reading of your question would fill in the blanks in "Who's still using this?" as "WHO is still using this?" expanded to "WHO is still using this???" expanded to "WHO is stupid enough to still be using this???". They/We would be wrong, but be cognizant of good and bad interpretations of writing.

But that's very minor and extremely audience specific. Bigger point:

2. Charitable reading. This is such a hard thing to do for all of us, especially on the interwebs, especially when there's even a minor difference opinion. I thoroughly, genuinely, believe that the keyboard-shortcut poster provided best possible explanation and tried very heard to type it up and come up with meaningful analogy. I will totally steal it! :) When you read it / interpreted it as a rant / over-my-dead-body, I in turn did not feel you gave them a charitable reading, which subconsciously meant I did not give you a charitable reading either.

So what I think would've made it appear as a true effort to understand, would've been... making a true effort to understand - reading the keyboard shortcut post with a mindset of "what information can I gleam from this / what can I learn / which insight can I take from this". Which, FWIW, is an approach that I think is phenomenally useful in life, I'm actively working on myself, and am successful some small percentage of time :D

(again, not claiming some useful insight, but since you asked, my 100 Croatian Lipa :). All the best!

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I make a distinction between "Plastic" and "Carbon Fibre Reinforced Polymer with a magnesium roll cage" that this laptop uses. We don't think an aluminium bike is better than a carbon fibre bike, so why is an aluminium laptop better than a carbon fibre laptop? I mean aluminium has some nice advantages like heat dissipation but CFRP allows for much lighter laptops. If anything I prefer CRFP because of the weight advan…

Re: bikes, I've found most CF frames lack fender/rack mounts. If you want utility (commuting, shopping, travel), aluminum is going to win out. For example, I can't think of a single CF cargo bike.
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