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There was a huge divide between r/machinelearning threads and twitter. I'd start with the megathread. https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/k77sxz/d_t...
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I think this a challenge that seems pretty obvious as scientists working for for profit organizations that don’t have binding ethical frameworks aren’t really free to pursue truth. Just like you wouldn’t expect an Exxon staff scientist to be free to publish a paper independent of Exxon. I think that people who want to properly practice science should avoid working for corporations. Academia and government aren’t comp…
Agreed. We need to support increase funding and pay for public scientists. It is not even remotely competitive to the private market, and it is frustrating to know that I could earn substantially more if I left my academic research position.
It’s like the highest pay for a geologist is in government unless you want to stop doing science and work for oil.
Also, some other people were at different time fired or left Google for reasons not related to anything in this story, but since they also worked with AI, we'd mention it just because we need at least four paragraphs of text.
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Here are supposedly some posts from ex-colleagues of hers: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/k77sxz/com...
Obviously don't know the full context of why Satrajit Chatterjee was fired, but I can say that I followed the Timnit Gebru story quite closely, and there was a gigantic chasm, IMO, between what actually happened (and by "what actually happened" I mean that I'm conservatively just considering Gebru's own statements and tweets) and how things were reported in the wider press. The press will always be incentivized to re…
Can you give some example Tweets to where you concluded that these (Gebru in this example) are some of the most toxic individuals you could imagine? All of my searches are of random topics.
https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1278565265135906816?t...
I just cannot imagine calling someone in your company out like that on a public platform, especially for the crime of not speaking. Both are seniors and that behavior seemed anything but, to me anyway.
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Here are supposedly some posts from ex-colleagues of hers: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/k77sxz/com...
> I do believe she actually thinks she is making the world a better place but in reality any interaction with her has been incredibly stressful having to carefully weigh every move made in her presence.
What if what some vocal minority advocates say is correct, and they have to carefully weigh every move they make, throughout their whole lives? If living that carefully is incredibly stressful, what percentage chance of it being the lived experience of minorities in tech justifies someone fighting aggressively to make things easier for minorities?
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I'm surprised news outlets still report that Timnit Gebru was fired. It's at best disputed. This case looks much clearer; he was terminated with cause.
That's... still a firing, no? What it's not, is a lay-off.
I spoke to a wide range of managers at Google afterwards and the most commonly expressed opinion was "I'm amazed that Megan did that, it normally takes at least a year to fire individuals". What Jeff did led to a significant exodus of Google researchers (including some very preeminent ones) and Zoubin has to do all the cleanup.