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4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by garethsprice »

gbog wrote: post #21
benbscholz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to visit Mr. Poole's first website, 4chan, which requires anonymous posting on some areas but allows a limited identity in others (through tripcodes). The effect of anonymous posting on content quality is immediately apparent.

AH,good, someone in his own mind here. OP is pure wind, 4chan is full of shit, Google, FB, etc will never want this kind of content. I was on Usenet long time ago, you have some idle guys who would spend a lot of time turning all discussions into shit, allowing pure anon is giving them all latitude to do so.

Google and FB are full of 4chan content... love it or hate it, 4chan is the source for a huge number of the memes that eventually bubbled up to the mainstream over the last few years.

Anonymity (or at least, properly contextualized identity) allows people to try out different identities and modes of creation. Removing all social context results in a smoothed out, lowest-common-denominator of personality, but it's the jagged edges and oddities that really make people interesting - or ugly.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by beaumartinez »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #22
ianl wrote: post #14

You can find the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbPASJiAfu4

For the record, they got his Twitter handle wrong in the info slide - it's not @moot69, it's just @moot

That's the point of his presentation: your Twitter handle is not you.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by molesy »

gnu6 wrote: post #29

Chris Poole operates the world's most popular child pornography web site. Let's all listen to what he has to say.

"The National Security Agency operates the world's most popular child pornography web site, originally founded by Chris Poole. Let's all listen to what he has to say."

Fixed.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by icebraining »

benbscholz wrote: post #8
jarin wrote: post #6

As someone who used to post a lot on forums, I agree that being able to have multiple pseudonyms is great. On the other hand, I also appreciate the value of enforcing real names in online discussions. If you've ever read the comments on news articles on Facebook (MSNBC/Breaking News/etc.), it's amazing the hateful, racist, bigoted shit people will post under their REAL NAMES. I can only imagine how bad it would be if…

You may want to visit Mr. Poole's first website, 4chan, which requires anonymous posting on some areas but allows a limited identity in others (through tripcodes). The effect of anonymous posting on content quality is immediately apparent.

I don't think having profiles, like here in HN, means the system is no longer anonymous. As long as if you have nothing to link you to your other identities, it's anonymous.

Besides, 4chan is a clusterfuck for other reasons; it's part of the culture of the place, and that even differs for each section. /lit/ is much more civilized than /b/, for example.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by jeffool »

apollo wrote: post #42

So why require Facebook to register on Canvas?

He talks about that in the video (linked elsewhere in this thread, on YouTube.) It's used to keep out the more casual trolls. But on the site itself, you're not required to reveal your identity.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by joshu »

citricsquid wrote: post #33
joshu wrote: post #11

Heh, he spent the evening at my house working on and fretting about this presentation. While my dog watched: http://yfrog.com/hsokxkwj

I don't know what I find my humorous, moot's hair or the stairs for your dog...

Actually, the dog is a little acrobat and has no problem getting on the couch (she regularly hops up the BACK of that couch.) I actually just flop off the side and put my ipad on them for reading. It works great for that.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by FlemishBeeCycle »

jeffool wrote: post #2

We present ourselves differently in different contexts, and that's key to our creativity and self-expression. "It's not 'who you share with,' it's 'who you share as,'" Poole told us. "Identity is prismatic." moot just kinda blew my mind. And it makes total sense. I'd go so far as to say it's almost painfully obvious once it's pointed out to you. I hope someone's got it on video and posts it somewhere.

As individuals, we don't act the same way around our peers, our friends or our family. While we certainly present ourselves differently in different contexts, I wouldn't call these different "identities", rather the same identity applying the rules of the given context to their behavior.

Where it becomes tricky is when one is strips away the context isolation. For example, at your friend's bachelor party, some behavior might perfectly normative within context and participants, but the next day when people outside of that context can watch a video of your behavior - you might feel a little shame/embarrassment/regret/etc.

The internet, for better or worse, allows a complete breakdown of context isolation. While the rules of posting on 4chan or HN greatly differ, a person adhering to rules of a given context, will still be judged across both contexts by outside viewers.

The solution here is to create context isolation - which is very easy to do with anonymity.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by Periodic »

jeffool wrote: post #28
ianl wrote: post #14

You can find the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbPASJiAfu4

Ahhh, thanks for the link! "It took me four hours to pick my AOL screenname." Same here. And I've been using it ever since. I'm not sure what, if anything, that says about me. But yeah, it's the name I've chosen to associate with.

The thing is, that AOL screenname I chose 15 years ago isn't how I want to be seen now. I've changed a lot since then, and it feels right to me that my handle should as well. Over the last 8 years or so I've been moving away from that handle and to something a little more... professional. I'd really like the things associated with that handle to stay in the past, and not be easily accessed by anyone who has my current handle.
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