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Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

lloeki wrote: post #166
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

alluminium doesn't grow on trees either. plastic can be (almost) infinitely recycled for industrial use, it's food use that has limited recyclability. also: Macs are very hard to upgrade (sometimes it's impossible to) and become e-trash in a couple of years, while these "plastic" laptops can last a decade before being discarded as junk.

> become e-trash in a couple of years, while these "plastic" laptops can last a decade before being discarded as junk. My experiences different, I'd still be rocking a 2014 MBP had it not suffered massive liquid damage. All Macs and MacBooks I or relatives have crossed or are going to cross the decade threshold with aplomb.

> All Macs and MacBooks I or relatives have crossed or are going to cross the decade threshold with aplomb.

I too own a couple of 10+ years old Mac laptops.

They are perfect as doorstop.

Once the RAM is soldiered or one of the main components gets out of production it's all about luck

while it is simply a matter of repairing it or upgrading it in the case of an actually repairable "plastic" one.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by bnt »

sz4kerto wrote: post #164
adamors wrote: post #10

> 7-9 hours of typing, browsing and some programming. > 3-4 hours of video/audio conferencing or other CPU intensive tasks. This is one of the primary reasons I can't even consider moving away from an M1 Mac. I used to love ThinkPads but not being able to use the machine for 10+ hours without charger is a dealbreaker in 2022.

Videocalls kill M1 Mac batteries too. (Typing this from a 16" MBP M1 Pro that last around 4 hours if you're using Google Meet on it.)

16" i9 Intel calling in: 90 minutes of Zoom max (100% to 10% battery)

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by Avamander »

e12e wrote: post #96
Avamander wrote: post #78

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> For developers, going with Intel only (no Nvidia discrete card) is the most sensible choice. Absolutely not. Even the latest gen Intel ThinkPads are power-hungry and wasteful. They either throttle to shit, run way too hot or run way too loud and you have increasingly terrible battery life in all three cases. AMD resolves a few of those problems, you get more with the same power consumption, but still a good few ste…

As I don't think Linux on an m1 Mac is going to be viable in the near term - I don't think it's all that relevant as a Linux workstation?

It does seem fairly usable already. I'd say it's going to be viable as a primary workstation sooner than later, but things like polished GPU drivers will take more time.

There are other ARM machines as well, that run Linux more easily, but those aren't as high-performance yet.

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Post by belter »

pooper wrote: post #137
halotrope wrote: post #110

Generally great machines for Linux. Just a PSA from a X1E gen2 owner: Do NOT get the NVidia GPU, do NOT get the fastest CPU and most importantly: do NOT opt for the 4k screen. With 1080p and Intel GPU it is a good, even great laptop with ok battery life (if you can look over the touchpad). Wonderful keyboard, good Linux support (even fingerprint reader works). But just as with the last Intel macbook, the GPU, 10th ge…

> Wonderful keyboard, good Linux support (even fingerprint reader works). I am on a T490s with Fedora now (this machine). Any tips on how you got the fingerprint sensor to work? $ cat /etc/os-release NAME="Fedora Linux" VERSION="35 (Workstation Edition)" ID=fedora VERSION_ID=35 VERSION_CODENAME="" PLATFORM_ID="platform:f35" PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux 35 (Workstation Edition)" ANSI_COLOR="0;38;2;60;110;180" LOGO=fedora…

Not the person you asked to, but heavy Fedora and Thinkpad user here. I know that already as of Fedora 33, for many users, the fingerprint reader worked out of the box with the T490.

It seems the T490 can have different models of fingerprint reader and maybe not all are supported.

You should start by identifying your model with something like this

sudo lsusb or # lsusb

then look for the details of the line corresponding to the fingerprint reader model.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by Avamander »

tim-- wrote: post #80
Avamander wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no issues with thermal throttling or inane power limits on Linux? Which kernel version are you running?

Not that I have noticed. Currently running 5.17.3-arch1-1. I don't usually push this machine too hard - maybe the most that I do is recompiling ffmpeg a few times a day, so it might just be a result of my usage patterns? I'll get back to you with more solid figures later tonight. EDIT: Just had a play around with sysbench running a few prime number tests while compiling a kernel or two. The k10temp-pci-00c3 (CPU temp…

> maybe the most that I do is recompiling ffmpeg a few times a day, so it might just be a result of my usage patterns?

Maybe. If you compile in short bursts it's probably not going to affect you as much. With 4K screens and compiling a tiny bit of Rust, it starts being noticeable rather quick.

I did notice that newer kernel versions do behave a bit better, but still require a bit of help to keep consistent performance plugged in.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by dewey »

szines wrote: post #173

Trackpad is one of the most important features of a notebook. There is only one brand provides great trackpad. You know the answer.

I agree but most developers I know use a laptop purely as a desktop machine with a mouse / external trackpad and keyboard attached to it. It might not be as big of a selling point as you make it to be for many people.

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Post by spaniard89277 »

szines wrote: post #173

Trackpad is one of the most important features of a notebook. There is only one brand provides great trackpad. You know the answer.

I prefer the trackpoint honestly. I get many people don't like it, but for me the trackpad is a nuisance and I have it disabled.

The reason is that I almost never use my laptop on a table, and the trackpoint makes it more comfortable, as you don't have to move your hand between the keyboard and down so much.

I guess is an adquired taste, but it's one of these things that keep me in thinkpads.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by uxcolumbo »

gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I've been a Thinkpad user for the last 15 years.

The body is extremely sturdy along with the hinges.

It's not plastic - it's magnesium alloy. They are not flimsy or cheap.

Have you ever used a trackpoint? It's extremely ergonomic and much better than a trackpad. It requires a bit of time to get used to it - but it's totally worth the time investment.

And please don't make comments like 'Grandfather's laptop'. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's not good.

Look up Richard Sapper - the person who designed the IBM Thinkpad - a lot of brilliant design thinking went into this.

If something is highly functional, durable and can be easily repaired - that's beautiful. Aesthetically the Thinkpads are beautiful as well - an understated beauty vs the 'look at me, look at me - I'm shiny and thin'.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by jphsnsir »

I'd love to buy a new Thinkpad But it doesn't exist.

Thick design: 15 inch 4k, backlit full keyboard, replacable big battery, replacable ECC ram, gpu or igpu but no Nvidia(swaywm on nixos), 2 ssds (zfs mirror), ports: rj45, usb-A and usb-c at all sides(left/back/right), hdmi

No need for webcam, fingerprintreader nor touchpad(trackpoint with 3 buttons is king)

And yes, it can be thick/heavy. If I need it light. I'll use a smartphone...

Privacy hardware buttons would be a bonus, as is open firmware.

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