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Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by dzogchen »

philliphaydon wrote: post #103
intsunny wrote: post #97

I've been holding off on purchasing a new Lenovo laptop. Shortly Lenovo will start shipping latops with the new generation AMD Ryzen mobile chips that have RDNA 2 GPUs. [0][1] This is a real game changer. The amount of power and open source VULKAN friendliness is going to be incredible. I look forward to being able to do container work, and emulate Gamecube games all on a single Linux machine. [0] https://www.aroged.…

I have 2. Lenovo Legion 7 with aand AND cpu. And a ThinkPad X1 Extreme gen 1. I’m hoping new job I can get the X1 Extreme gen 5 cos I love the 16:10 screen.

The Lenovo Legion 7 Pro and 5 Pro also have a 16:10 screen.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by Klonoar »

ankurdhama wrote: post #74
gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

Why do you need such a build quality? Do you toss around your laptops? Do you keep dropping your laptop? My question is what is the use of such a build quality (apart from the very subjective - "it feels good")

Why would you not care about build quality? You only live once, there's no sense in owning something subpar.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by capableweb »

Avamander wrote: post #72
capableweb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I exclusively used MacBooks from 2012 to 2018 or something like that, before switching to a Carbon X1, and could never switch back. None of the laptops from Apple I had could actually be used from my lap, which is where I want to use my laptop, because of the heat coming from the bottom of the MacBooks. So I'm quite happy with plastic/softer materials rather than whatever metal material Apple uses.

You're talking about Intel, of course laptops with those are unpleasant. You should try and compare a M1 Mac with your Carbon X1. Most likely yours runs much hotter.

> You should try and compare a M1 Mac with your Carbon X1. Most likely yours runs much hotter.

Unless I'm mistaken, the material of the M1 Macs seems to be the same as before? If the machine runs at 100% resource usage, does the underside of the body no longer get so hot you can't have it in your lap?

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

avidphantasm wrote: post #116
scrlk wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will never understand the fetishisation of metal as a "premium" feeling material - if anything, it's impractical for a laptop. (conducts heat so can be uncomfortable to use on your lap if the thermal solution is poorly designed; dents/bends when dropped; probably harder for RF/antenna design...) It's the same reason why phones turned in to "premium" glass and metal sandwiches that people immediately slap in to a ch…

Plastic is made from oil, and has limited recyclability (the polymers degrade so at best you only down cycle). Aluminum is one of the most abundant materials in the earth’s crust, and once refined is basically infinitely recyclable (or so the story goes). Aluminum is also reasonable light and strong, with good thermal properties (if your laptop chassis gets too hot, it has other design issues at this point IMO).

alluminium doesn't grow on trees either.

plastic can be (almost) infinitely recycled for industrial use, it's food use that has limited recyclability.

also: Macs are very hard to upgrade (sometimes it's impossible to) and become e-trash in a couple of years, while these "plastic" laptops can last a decade before being discarded as junk.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by philliphaydon »

dzogchen wrote: post #141
philliphaydon wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have 2. Lenovo Legion 7 with aand AND cpu. And a ThinkPad X1 Extreme gen 1. I’m hoping new job I can get the X1 Extreme gen 5 cos I love the 16:10 screen.

The Lenovo Legion 7 Pro and 5 Pro also have a 16:10 screen.

Yup that’s Why I want my work computer to have one too. Try to keep work and play seperate.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by capableweb »

xeornet wrote: post #131
capableweb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I exclusively used MacBooks from 2012 to 2018 or something like that, before switching to a Carbon X1, and could never switch back. None of the laptops from Apple I had could actually be used from my lap, which is where I want to use my laptop, because of the heat coming from the bottom of the MacBooks. So I'm quite happy with plastic/softer materials rather than whatever metal material Apple uses.

Time to try the M1 chips!

If they weren't so damn expensive I would have already! Also waiting for Asahi Linux to mature before I'd even consider it, really hard to abandon Linux ecosystem once you've gotten used to it. I would never be able to replicate the productivity and the UX of my desktop setup with macOS, so Linux support is a must for me at this point.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by everdrive »

gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

Plastic is often a better material for laptops:

- It's light

- It's a bit more durable (or perhaps forgiving) when it comes to drops and dents

- It's less expensive

- If the laptop is built properly (not always a guarantee) it's just a sturdy

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by poser-boy »

intsunny wrote: post #97

I've been holding off on purchasing a new Lenovo laptop. Shortly Lenovo will start shipping latops with the new generation AMD Ryzen mobile chips that have RDNA 2 GPUs. [0][1] This is a real game changer. The amount of power and open source VULKAN friendliness is going to be incredible. I look forward to being able to do container work, and emulate Gamecube games all on a single Linux machine. [0] https://www.aroged.…

Don't need AMD RDNA 2 for Gamecube. I'm able to play Gamecube on Dolphin just fine on my Thinkpad T430 with Intel Integrated Graphics.

Framerates are very playable, but fall short of perfect. No up-scaling used.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by frant-hartm »

mciancia wrote: post #93
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is they don't make the larger workstation laptops with Intel only. This might be a Lenovo-only problem. With Dell, you can customise-to-order a Precision 7760 with an 8-core Xeon, 128 GB unbuffered ECC memory, a lot of storage, and no discrete graphics card, if you so desire. Many of these options aren't available on the site, but you can always call/chat in and from my experience, Dell will be happy to…

That is IMO a very shitty experience, why would they do this when they already have an online shop where you can configure stuff? You cant blame people people for not knowing this when such thing is gatekeeped. IMO fuck dell for that approach

That's another thing I don't understand, these configurators are not available in my country (Czech Republic) - neither for Lenovo nor Dell.

Fortunately I was able to find a local Lenovo partner, who has some internal access. But I don't understand why they don't have it public for whole EU.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by tommiegannert »

Stratoscope wrote: post #34
tommiegannert wrote: post #4

> Lenovo is famous for their TrackPoint (that little red thing on the keyboard), but I am not sure if I’ll take the time to learn using it. Who's still using this? I removed the red rubber because it was leaving residue on my screen.

This is a bit like asking "who still uses keyboard shortcuts?" After all, there is really no reason that anyone using Paint in Windows would ever type Alt+F and then A when they want to do a Save As... Right? Sure, it worked for the last 30 years. But come on, who ever would type Alt+F and A? It has to be less than 1% of all the Windows users out there. And our telemetry proves it! If you have a billion Windows users…

> This is a bit like asking "who still uses keyboard shortcuts?"

No, it was a good-faith question of who finds it useful (for what type of work) these days. I think it's a fair question since every other manufacturer has settled on trackpads. As context, I added that I, personally, find it ruins my screen on an otherwise good laptop.

Why the rant about keyboard shortcuts? The only answer you gave to my question was essentially, "over my dead body." No explanation that would help me understand you.

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